My Conservative Values

[Salty]

My Conservative Values:
1. Individual Responsibility
2. Limited Government
3. Lowest Level Government
4. Consistency in the application of laws


Government at all levels have gotten too involved in our lives.
Those who seek to pass many of these laws think they are doing us a favor, from their point of view.
My basic thought on passing a law is: " It is Governments job to us protect us from others, not from ourselves.

It is not the function of Government to keep the citizens from falling into error;, it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error. - Robert H. Jackson, US Supreme Court
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Do you agree with my basic standards?
If not, why not?
What would you add to the list?

 

[poncho]

It is government's job to protect our rights.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

SOURCE

It is not the government's job to reduce or abolish those rights in order to "keep us safe" from others or ourselves.

 

[Salty]

Remember your quote is from the Declaration of Independence - though they are important values - they are not actual parts of the Constitution.

I do agree with your statement that

It is not the government's job to reduce or 
abolish those rights in order to "keep us safe"

The problem comes in the interpretation

Salty

 

[poncho]

Remember your quote is from the Declaration of Independence - though they are important values - they are not actual parts of the Constitution.

I do agree with your statement that

It is not the government's job to reduce or 
abolish those rights in order to "keep us safe"

The problem comes in the interpretation

Salty

That's right. We the people interpret the constitution as the law that binds government and frees the people. The government interprets it as the document that binds the people and frees the government.

Both interpretations cannot be correct.

And what good are laws based on today's collective values instead of individual values as the framers intended?

There is only one value system that will work within our constitutional republic and it's known as individualism, not collectivism.

 

[go2church]

The terms on the surface seem pretty self explanatory, but they have come to the point that they carry with them hidden agendas and interpretations that require much more clarification. Your simple poll isn't that simple.

 

[billwald]

>1. Individual Responsibility

Used as a justification for not loving neighbor which Jesus said is like violating half the Ten Commandments.

 

[Dragoon68]

My Conservative Values:
1. Individual Responsibility
2. Limited Government
3. Lowest Level Government
4. Consistency in the application of laws


Government at all levels have gotten too involved in our lives.
Those who seek to pass many of these laws think they are doing us a favor, from their point of view.
My basic thought on passing a law is: " It is Governments job to us protect us from others, not from ourselves.

It is not the function of Government to keep the citizens from falling into error;, it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error. - Robert H. Jackson, US Supreme Court
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Do you agree with my basic standards?
If not, why not?
What would you add to the list?

Your thoughts are right in line with the original founders!

 

[Dragoon68]

>1. Individual Responsibility

Used as a justification for not loving neighbor which Jesus said is like violating half the Ten Commandments.

Forced "love" through government never works, Billwald! You are free to love whomever you want as much as you want. That's what family, friends, churches, charities, etc. are for.

 

[THEOLDMAN]

>1. Individual Responsibility

Used as a justification for not loving neighbor which Jesus said is like violating half the Ten Commandments.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[billwald]

>You are free to love whomever you want as much as you want. That's what family, friends, churches, charities, etc. are for.

This statement exemplifies the Catholic argument against the Reformation.

Jesus taught this will not get you brownie points. You are to love the people who hate you.

 

[Dragoon68]

>You are free to love whomever you want as much as you want. That's what family, friends, churches, charities, etc. are for.

This statement exemplifies the Catholic argument against the Reformation.

Jesus taught this will not get you brownie points. You are to love the people who hate you.

My goodness, Billwald, the comment has nothing to do with the Catholic position against the Reformation!

It simply means you are free to love whomever you want - including those that hate you - but, at the same time, forced "love" through government does not work - not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow. All that does is create entitlements and dependencies. But, you, on your own or through a private institution of your choice to which you willing give of your time and money can do much to help others and maintain control over how you do so.

 

[go2church]

See not so simple

 

[Salty]

any new thoughts

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

>1. Individual Responsibility

Used as a justification for not loving neighbor which Jesus said is like violating half the Ten Commandments.

Not neccesarily.

Christian Individual Responsibility includes the Good Samaritan and feeding the fatherless and widows that are truly widows.

But, even these are meant to be Wholly Voluntary, not mandated and abused by Government who does not practice the Pauline edict that if a man refuses to work he doesn't eat.

Of course, when Government destroys jobs so they can get more addicted to their feed trough that doesn't help...

 

[KenH]

I am in complete agreement with the libertarian(old time conservative) values that you listed.

 

[Salty]

>1. Individual Responsibility

Used as a justification for not loving neighbor which Jesus said is like violating half the Ten Commandments.

I will help the Needy, but I am careful as to how I help the Greedy. If a man is capable of working, but refuses - he does not have individual responsibility, thus I am under no obligation to assist him.
My philosophy is the old line of "Give a man fish, and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a life time" - English Proverb

Bill - do you agree with that proverb?

 

[SRBooe]

See, it is not only on college campuses.

Our Declaration of Independence AND the U.S. Constitution was understandable up until the point that lawyers got involved.

Sadly, many have made our government into our church. Surpisingly, those same people will cry to high heavens about the separation of chuch and state.

 

[Matt Black]

Laws are also rightly designed to protect others from us. What about the role of government in things from which the country benefits as a whole eg: infrastructure, education, defence, etc?

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Laws are also rightly designed to protect others from us.

So, we try to negotiate with terrorists. And, while the entire UN gleefully plots our demise we roll over and don't even cover our own backsides!

What about the role of government in things from which the country benefits as a whole eg: infrastructure, education, defence, etc?

Matt in the beginning Schools were primarily a church supported structure. And, then the states took them over... Now the Feds have control...

Each time education has had a further removal from our founding principles education excellence has fallen further.

The Federal Government is a miserable failure in **EVERYTHING** it does. It is wasteful, inefficient and generally incapable of running anything.

It has branched out into so many areas where it has no constitutional mandate that it **can't** even do it's Constitutional Mandate of providing for the Common Defense!

No one and especially Government can do all things well.

But, if I couldn't do the one thing I was hired to do...

I'd be fired!

No matter how many other trades I was good at...

Until *WE* the people set the wages of our elected officials they do not work for us... They work for themselves... It's far past time to reign them in!

 

[Matt Black]

I was primarily arguing against the emphasis on the individual being sacrosanct. For example, on the point about laws also being designed to protect others from us, I don't have the right to drive my car at 70mph in a 30mph zone - here the law (the speed limit) is specifically designed to protect others from me. Similarly, I don't have the right to dump toxic waste in a river that flows through my property so that it wipes out the stocks in my neighbour's trout lake downstream...and so on - you get the picture?

I take your point re voluntary -v- government education provision, but how would you ensure in a purely voluntary world that standards were adhered to?