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  1. RaptureReady

    RaptureReady New Member

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    When I say the "Originals." I mean the actual paper, ink, able to touch originals. The King James Bible is perfect and if the "originals" were around today, they would prove it. So, basically, if you want to look at the "originals" in the English language, just look in the King James Bible.
     
    #21 RaptureReady, Aug 27, 2003
  2. Pete Richert

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    So the King James Bible was a translation, you agree with that, right? So this must mean at least the KJV translators had something that was the same as the originals, yes? If they didn't have something that was exactly the same as the originals, how on earth did they translate something that now looks exactly like the originals? Did they guess? Did the Holy Spirit remind them of words that had been lost for 1550+ years?

    Let me try to simply. You say
    And I am assuming you believe no one has the originals. You also say,

    So you believe the KJV follows the originals exactly. My question, if the originals don't exist for anyone, what did the KJV translators use to translate from? If it wasn't the originals, how did they translate something that now looks exactly like the original?
     
    #22 Pete Richert, Aug 27, 2003
  3. Ransom

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    HomeBound said:

    When I say the "Originals." I mean the actual paper, ink, able to touch originals. The King James Bible is perfect and if the "originals" were around today, they would prove it.

    But how do you know that your King James Bible is faithful to the original that went to the printers?

    Given the choice between a copy of the original apostolic autographs, and a copy of a much younger English translation, why should I prefer the latter?
     
    #23 Ransom, Aug 27, 2003
  4. Pastor Larry

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    How do you know that the KJV is the "next best thing"? God certainly didn't tell you that, as we have shown time and again. Will you finally admit that you are exercising a personal preference rather than following a doctrinal mandate? Without the originals you have no idea what the "next best thing" is, apart from looking at the totality of the manuscripts.
     
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  5. Pastor Larry

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    How do you know that the KJV is the "next best thing"? God certainly didn't tell you that, as we have shown time and again. Will you finally admit that you are exercising a personal preference rather than following a doctrinal mandate? Without the originals you have no idea what the "next best thing" is, apart from looking at the totality of the manuscripts.
     
    #25 Pastor Larry, Aug 27, 2003
  6. RaptureReady

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    Yes
    The Textus Receptus.
    The originals are lost or have been destroyed. But, God’s word remains perfect in the King James Bible.
    The Textus Receptus.
     
    #26 RaptureReady, Aug 27, 2003
  7. RaptureReady

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    Faith that God will preserve his word.
    Because I believe God’s plan was the King James Bible.
     
    #27 RaptureReady, Aug 27, 2003
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    By faith, I believe the King James Bible is what God wanted us to have in all faith and practice.
     
    #28 RaptureReady, Aug 27, 2003
  9. Ransom

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    HomeBound said:

    Faith that God will preserve his word.

    I believe that too, only I believe God has preserved his word in the languages he inspired it in, not merely a copy of a copy of an English translation of a copy of the autographs. [​IMG]

    Because I believe God’s plan was the King James Bible.

    Good for you. I prefer to believe in things that are actually true, rather than make-believe stories men have made up about "God's plan" that they can't document.

    But hey - this is the 21st century, right? Truth is irrelevant, and personal opinion is king.
     
    #29 Ransom, Aug 27, 2003
  10. RaptureReady

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    How can this be when just about every version is different?
     
    #30 RaptureReady, Aug 27, 2003
  11. Ransom

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    HomeBound said:

    How can this be when just about every version is different?

    Who said anything about "every version"? Try answering what I wrote, rather than what you wish I wrote.

    But the King James Version is nothing more than one more "different" English version anyway. It has nothing special about it, and it certainly has no extra-super-duper blessing on it.
     
    #31 Ransom, Aug 27, 2003
  12. RaptureReady

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    Okay I see, God stopped preserving his word in the originals so that is why everything else is tained. Is this what you believe?
    So I guess the devil preserved it from 1611 to now huh?
     
    #32 RaptureReady, Aug 27, 2003
  13. Ransom

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    HomeBound ranted and raved:

    So I guess the devil preserved it from 1611 to now huh?

    What would possess you to say something this dumb, or insinuate that I believed it?
     
    #33 Ransom, Aug 27, 2003
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  15. Pastor Larry

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    By faith ... How about trying revelation?? Isn't that a better guide of what we should be doing and believing?? By faith and revelation, I believe that all faithful translation of God's word is what God wanted us to have.
     
    #35 Pastor Larry, Aug 28, 2003
  16. Pete Richert

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    HomeBound,

    Okay, I am sure you are going to ignore what I have to say but let's try it anyway. You answer that the KJV translators used the The Textus Receptus. I must point out first hand that this can not possibly be word for word from the originals, because otherwise we would have a perfect copy in Greek which you deny.

    But that is not the point. The point is there IS NO "THE" Textus Receptus. Let me restate.

    There is no THE textus receptus.

    more one time

    There is no THE textus receptus.

    the Ephesis is on "the". Textus Receptus is a name given to a whole host of textually critized publications of the Greek text. There were about 15 editions in the 16th and 17th century, and they ARE ALL DIFFERENT. Erasmus starting the ball rolling and he had five different additions. The first two DID NOT HAVE YOUR PET VERSE 1 John 5:7 because Erasmus knew it wasn't original (wasn't in a single Greek manuscirpt that he had).

    I will quote from a webpage I found in 30 seconds on google. I will recommend you do the same though I know you won't because you do not wish to believe the truth and will continue to qoute the TR as if it is one single Greek text we can all look at.


    and more importantly

    So which TR was it? And where is it now, since it is nothing on this earth that is resembles the KJV in every verse, even Scrivener's reconstructed text where HE TRIED to match every varient used in the KJV.

    Since this has been pointed out by 259*7*7 times on this board, I will asume you will ingnore it. I will assume though that if you continue to post that the KJV was translated from THE TR that you are either dishonest or you can't read.
     
    #36 Pete Richert, Aug 28, 2003
  17. RaptureReady

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    By faith ... How about trying revelation?? Isn't that a better guide of what we should be doing and believing?? By faith and revelation, I believe that all faithful translation of God's word is what God wanted us to have. </font>[/QUOTE]But when they say something different from one another which one are you going to believe? By faith, I believe the King James Bible.
     
    #37 RaptureReady, Aug 28, 2003
  18. Gunther

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    Now we are getting somewhere. The KJV isn't perfect, it is just the best among others for you. Okay, I can live with that.
     
    #38 Gunther, Aug 28, 2003
  19. RaptureReady

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    Now we are getting somewhere. The KJV isn't perfect, it is just the best among others for you. Okay, I can live with that. </font>[/QUOTE]Excuse me, but when I say "they" I am not referring to God's perfect word because there is only one perfect word and that is the King James Bible.
     
    #39 RaptureReady, Aug 28, 2003
  20. Gunther

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    I totally agree with you. The KJV is better than most translations.

    I also agree with you that it is not as good as the following:

    ASV
    ESV
    NASB
    NKJV
    LITV
    MKJV

    You see, we are in perfect agreement.
     
    #40 Gunther, Aug 28, 2003
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