My dog ate my BAGD!

I don’t know why it still stands in the 1873. Do they still print this?

So what are ye saying?

There’s more than one TR?

 

I was not, I truly don't know.

Thank you for telling me.

Funny, kinda like what we have today with all the different bibles.

No need to apologize, for I was getting frustrated too. We are just doing as Proverbs says, Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Pro 27:17. God bless.

 

I do not believe I said the KJV was a stumbling block.


I too will be praying for all men to seek Gods Word and understand it.

God Bless
Sherrie

 

Swordsman: "EVERY lost adult that I have witnessed
to has stated that all the bibles say different things,
Many have lost faith that the Bible is actually
the true Word of God."

Alas, this is the testimony of the KJVonlyist.
They are the ones who say only the KJB
for God only has ONE BIBLE (but then they allow that
there are three flavors of it).

What ever happened to the Bible being Holy?
The NIV Bible is Holy and without error.
The New Century Version (NCV) is HOly and without error.

Error creaps in when we apply human understanding
to the words written down in the version we have
before us. We gather together in local churches
with other believers to study as we should the
Holy Scritures together.

The Truth is not a collection of words,
the Real Truth is a person, and that person
is Jesus, the Living Word of God!

 

Oh Brother Ed! AMEN!

Sherrie

 

You ahve to be kidding me. How can you have such a firm position when you do not know anything about the issue?? Should you not have at least an informed opinion???

Original language texts are the Greek and Hebrew texts from which we translate versions. If you look at the front page of your KJV, there is a line to the effect that these were translated out of the original tongues.

I do believe God's word is perfect. It is false teaching to limit God's perfect word to one 17th century translation. It is false teaching because 1) it does not conform to what Scripture teaches and 2) it does not conform to what we know about texts, transmission, and translations. Put it aside and conform your belief to Scritpure.

 

You cannot even be honest with simple facts. No one told you that to understand God's word you must these other things. The problem is that you come in here, pretending to be an expert, taking a dogmatic opinion, and accusing others or twisting and denying God's word. Then you reveal that you are not familiar with even teh most basic facts of the position that you are so dogmatically defending. That is the problem. What you need to do is exactly what you have done in reading and believing the KJV: Trust those who know more than you do.

You mean you don't want to have a greater love for God's word? You mean you don't want to have a greater understanding of its truth and its application to life? You mean you don't want to believe more in the absolutely sufficiency of God's word? You mean you don't want to love God and his people more? That is some kind of strange desire you have there ...

 

Having preached exclusively from the NASB for more than 7 years, I can testify that you do not know what you are talking about. The only confusion I have ever seen is from people with the KJV and from those who believe the KJV is the only word of God. You are the ones sowing confusion.

Are you sure you are telling the truth here?? Your last sentence is what most people say, not the first. I have never had anyone tell me that Bibles says different things. They say that the churches say different things and that there are so many interpretations of it. I believe this is a case of you misrepresenting the facts to try to make your position stand. As it is, in the last sentence, you have contradicted first sentence while stumbling into the truth.

The stumblingblocks are those who tell people that certain translations are not the word of God because of their personal preference. You are causing many little ones to stumble by ruining their faith in the word of God and in his revelation to us.

 

If your daughter wanted to date a "she" would you say that there is no real difference?? What if you son wanted to marry a "he"? Is there no real difference???

Who appointed you to decide what the "real differences" are between various editions of the KJV? By what standard do you decide what a "real difference" is?

By what standard is a typo not an error? Does the same extend to handcopying? Are mistakes in the manuscripts that were handcopied not really errors??? How can you claim an "error free" Bible when you admit the existence of "typos"?

Why won't you answer these questions?

 

HomeBound said:

That's right, the new versions today are a product of the spirit of antichrist.

Well, I'll definitely keep reading them then.

You gotta laugh.

 

Homebound said:

I do not see how studying God's Word will cause you to doubt Him? I do not understand your thinking here?

And so those that do take the time to seek His Word, with every resource available, then, according to your statement in bold above, must not be lazy in Gods Word, but must in fact be seekers of His word.

Why do you think these resources are bad? I think you just have not ever seen one, and are basing your opinion on what either your Pastor has said, or a friend, or someone. You have very little knowledge of the Reference books you are so adamantly against.

Ok..I am not trying to trick you here, but here is a scripture from the OT I would like to ask you if you could read it.

Now again using just the KJV and just The strongs, we will be given numbers that will direct us to a Hebrew/Chaldee word, that tells you exactly what the original form was meant to mean. It is not telling me false documentation or anything else.

Lets look:

If you would look these words up; and you would look them up in the Hebrew/Chaldee form, because it is OT language, you would find the original word, and its meaning.

example:

How is that antichrist or satantic. Gods Word has not been changed. It only gives the reader a better insight to what God is revealing to him.

After you were to look up all those words you would really dicover what David is saying. What is he saying?

He is talking about the Lord and his Salvation. I wont get into this topic, as I am only trying to show you there is nothing antichrist or satanic in what I just showed you.

God Bless
Sherrie

 

I have a really stupid confession to make.

Intellectually, I know that the KJVO position is not right.

Yet, I just cannot get out of my mind this image from a Jack Chick comic booklet, where a smiling preacher is standing behind his pulpit and saying, "The KJV is not perfect! It has mistakes! There are much better versions of the Bible! Trust me!" And there, hidden from the congregation's view, sticking out from under his suit coat is a pointed tail!

Again, I know that this is stupid, but I just cannot break away from the KJV because I cannot help but wonder if those that argue against the KJV may actually have pointed tails hidden from view!

That is why I still stay with the KJV, though I am not KJVO. Rather, I am KJVP (King James Version preferred), and I hope to God I am right.


mozier

 

So all versions of the Bible are perfect? What about the JW bible or the Mormon bible?

 

I am. People like my pastor, Dr. Ruckman, Rick Drummond, Phil Kidd, Dr. Gibb, Pastor Paulson, Pastor Doug Fisher, Pastor James Melton and many others. They stand on the word of God and believe that the King James Bible is that one book. Are all these men wrong and your right? I don’t think so.

 

If you had actually read what was written, you wouldn't have made such an inane leap...

But just to put things in perspective, it is closer to the truth to say that "all versions" are perfect than to say one one version is perfect.

 

Why did you need a strong’s concordance to get the meaning? Doesn’t the context tell us that David was looking at the circumstance around him and then looked to the Lord for He is our shield in all circumstances. David knew the Lord heard him so then he was able to get some good sleep. And when he awake, the Lord was still there. And David was not afraid of those many that rose up against him. If I’m not mistaken, the Lord had taken care of them while David was sleeping. Is this right?