My family converted to (hyper?)Calvinism and say I need to convert

[JamesL]

James how often have you given sound advice to others? Don't start trying with a newbie.

Eh?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am sure this is a sincere post.
Be careful because those Calvinists really believe that God in love has predestined a multitude of condemned sinners to go from death to life.
There is no telling what those Calvinists will say next.
They might proclaim that Jesus is Lord.....be very careful....they are so tricky.
Just remember Jn.3:16 is in the bible, along with 2 Peter 3:9.....so that negates all those troublesome verses about election and predestination!
Keep in mind....Joel Osteen, Benny Hina, and such men do not believe those teachings either
Whatever you do.....do not study it out....being in college you are busy with your studies and such.
Maybe you could encourage your dad to join Baptistboard.....and then Van could help him out
He could explain in his own words what he believes,not that we doubt your testimony of it at all......

Just wait till they get indoctrinated into Covenant theology.

 

[Marooncat79]

I would encourge you to find out more

Hypercalvinists do not believe in evangelism. It is a serious error/heresy

Calvinists do believe in evangelism. Yes, we are challenged to "make our calling and election sure", but as Paul says in 1 Cor 15, the true Gospel is centered in the fact that Christ died for sinners and was raised again.

A seminary professor of mine once said that when someone initially understands Calvinism or the Doctrines of Grace, the best thing he can do is shut up for about 6 months. I am quite sure he had me in mind when he said that

BTW, 5 point Calvinist here since January 1987

 

[Iconoclast]

Hey Icon you need to work on your spelling. You misspelled Benny Hinn.

My phone does auto correct....I did not catch that one

 

[tlouis96]

I might ask him...

"If someone is not saved when they don't believe the 5 points, and you recently came to believe them, does that mean you were not saved until just recently? "

He told me in our conversation that he believe he was never saved until 2 or 3 months ago. Because he thought that he had made some decision that factored into his belief then he thinks that means he was not saved.

 

[tlouis96]

Whatever you do.....do not study it out....being in college you are busy with your studies and such.

I feel like now is an important time to study this since it will affect the rest of my life.

 

[tlouis96]

I would encourge you to find out more

Hypercalvinists do not believe in evangelism. It is a serious error/heresy

Calvinists do believe in evangelism. Yes, we are challenged to "make our calling and election sure", but as Paul says in 1 Cor 15, the true Gospel is centered in the fact that Christ died for sinners and was raised again.

OK maybe it isn't hyper-Calvinism after all since he did seem to think that evangelism is necessary. Just that almost no church is doing it right because they are too tolerant. And any church that is not doing it right is teaching people a false gospel which cannot lead them to salvation.

Thank you, I will have to talk to him more and read more about that.

 

[JamesL]

He told me in our conversation that he believe he was never saved until 2 or 3 months ago. Because he thought that he had made some decision that factored into his belief then he thinks that means he was not saved.

If he's consistent, that's the response he should have. It probably indicates that truth and continuity are important to him, which is good - even if he's adopted an extreme position

 

[Iconoclast]

I feel like now is an important time to study this since it will affect the rest of my life.

How do you plan to undertake such a study?
What resources do you have?

 

[Revmitchell]

A few more things he told me are:
a church that is not preaching about election every week is not preaching the gospel

Seeing as how Jesus did not do this nor was it taught anywhere in scripture that it should be preached every week we can know that this is absolute heresy.

they are doing church at home because there are only 5 or 10 churches in the whole U.S.A. that preach the true gospel and do not tolerate false gospel

This now begins to sound like a cult mentality.

probably nobody at our old church is regenerate

They need to be careful to not dismiss the work of the Lord as being that of Satan

thinking you have any choice in what happens in your life means you believe in works based salvation

This is a lie straight from hell. We have a choice because God set it up that way. Their heresy stems from a poor view of the soveriegnty of God.

if someone is not a 5 point Calvinist then they are an Arminian

A very polarizing ideology and in fact a very poor argument

Arminians can only be truly regenerate when they convert to 5 point Calvinism

Heresy


I am saddened by such madness and how this is unnecessarily tearing a family a part.

 

[Jerome]

Charles Spurgeon, "Preach the Gospel":

"Should you step into their chapel you would naturally expect to hear them preaching, either from this, “Not of the will of the flesh, but of the will of God,” or else, “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father.” You know that the moment you step in, you are sure to hear nothing but Election and high Doctrine that day! Such men also err quite as much as others, if they give too great prominence to one Truth to the neglect of the others. Whatever is here to be preached, all in whatever name you please—write it high, write it low—the Bible, the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible, is the standard of the true Christian! Alas, alas, many make an iron ring of their doctrines and he who dares to step beyond that narrow circle is not reckoned orthodox. God bless heretics, then! God send us more of them! Many make theology into a kind of tread wheel consisting of five doctrines which are everlastingly rotated. For they never go on to anything else."

 

[Yeshua1]

My dad called me 2 weekends ago at college to tell me that he and my mom and sister have realized that the Baptist church we always went to is preaching a false gospel so they stopped going. He said they had been doing a lot of reading and found that the Calvinism doctrines of grace are the true definition of the gospel. He also said that anyone who does not know or believe any of the 5 points is unsaved/unregenerate. Or if you are unsure about how election works. And also if a person thinks that God will save someone who does not know or believe the 5 points then that person is unregenerate.

A few more things he told me are:
a church that is not preaching about election every week is not preaching the gospelthey are doing church at home because there are only 5 or 10 churches in the whole U.S.A. that preach the true gospel and do not tolerate false gospel
probably nobody at our old church is regenerate
thinking you have any choice in what happens in your life means you believe in works based salvation
if someone is not a 5 point Calvinist then they are an Arminian
tolerant Calvinists are unregenerate just like Arminians
Arminians can only be truly regenerate when they convert to 5 point Calvinism
I need to stop going to the church on campus
unless I can find a woman who believes this then they will not support me getting married in any way

I was very shocked when he told me all this but I told him I would read and pray about it. And while I can see that election is biblical I am not convinced we know exactly how it works or that understanding it is required for salvation. I do not think that their views are enough to overturn the simplicity of Romans 10:9 and Acts 16:31. They think that unless someone knows and believes in limited atonement and supralapsarianism then they are not saved but I do not see the bible saying that is necessary.

Now I don't know what to do so please pray for me. My life and future feels like it went from being bright and full of opportunity to dark and depressing. I have not gotten a lot of sleep and I wasn't able to hardly eat for a week. But I know that God does not change though no matter what we think.

Are they not in a Cult now?

As though I am a Calvinist myself, do also see non Cals as also being just as saved as I am, as those articles of grace are how God saves any sinner, regardless if they ever come to fully embrace and understand them!

How many times did Jesus spend his time even discussing Election itself?
was it :every time?"

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I would encourge you to find out more

Hypercalvinists do not believe in evangelism. It is a serious error/heresy

Calvinists do believe in evangelism. Yes, we are challenged to "make our calling and election sure", but as Paul says in 1 Cor 15, the true Gospel is centered in the fact that Christ died for sinners and was raised again.

A seminary professor of mine once said that when someone initially understands Calvinism or the Doctrines of Grace, the best thing he can do is shut up for about 6 months. I am quite sure he had me in mind when he said that

BTW, 5 point Calvinist here since January 1987

 

[tyndale1946]

Evangelism is proper if put in its proper place... We make disciples, only the LORD alone makes sheep!... Brother Glen

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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