My own Ninevah

I know you're not talking to me, but I do believe that the Bible says that Paul was an "ambassador" of Christ, which means he was an authorized messenger or representative of Christ. If our country sends an ambassador to meet with the leader of another country, he has the authority to speak for our President, so to the other country's leader, what our ambassador says is just as important as what our President would say. This is the way I see Paul's relationship with Jesus. I believe his words are just as important.

But, I must say, personally I do find myself always trying to find what Jesus himself had to say about a particular subject.

 

Thanks for the clarification. Why can't you just accept the fact that she has her views and you have yours and go your separate ways and agree to disagree. Why should she be the one to retract or apologize??? You came across accusatory and with guns a blazing against her. Why don't you apologize???

 

Your PM has never arrived.

I do not have a problem with many of the things you say, it just appeared that your intent was to bring back the same ole stuff up again to prove yourself right and others wrong. Maybe that was not your intent, but that is how it came off.

Would not it have been better, to just agree to disagree with some people and start over instead of making a big drama about leaving and coming back and going all through it again?

Some times we just have to admit that we were wrong and move on, and start over.

Would that be so hard?

 

Thanks for the clarification. Why can't you just accept the fact that she has her views and you have yours and go your separate ways and agree to disagree. Why should she be the one to retract or apologize??? You came across accusatory and with guns a blazing against her. Why don't you apologize??? </font>[/QUOTE]I have not slandered her. I have nothing for which to apologize.

Joseph Botwinick

 

To put the words of Christ above the words of Paul is heresy and does damage to the inspiration of the Word of God. You should admit you were wrong and retract your statement, or be prepared for me to point out the heresy and refute it.

Joseph Botwinick

 

More slander.

Joesph,

I asked God to give me some answers in terms of how to deal with you.

I was lead to the believe that our cultural backgrounds will cause us to never really agree on certain issues. [/QUOTE]

If you are referring to you pitting Christ against Paul in the Word of God, you are correct. We will never agree on that.

I have, because I feel every Christian must, learned what other denominations and even other religions teach, but for over 40 years I have been a Christian who worships in a Baptist Church.

I learned, after prayer, that you come from a different background. I'm excited that you are a Christian, but I suspect, from what I learned of the relgion of your background, that you have a very different view of women and their place in God's house than I have.

May God bless you. [/QUOTE]

Exactly what is the religion of my background and what do you think my view of women and their place in God's house is? Come on...please show more of your ignorance.

Joseph Botwinick

 

As I stated before, a lot of what you say I do not disagree with. The WHOLE Bible should be taught. Somehow you have gotten that I disagree with that, and I do not!

What I disagree with is how you handled this whole thing. You have come off arrogant, and once more you have done that in the above quote.

You cannot see the real issue here because you are so caught up in proving and justifying that you are right. It just seems to be a big drama game to you.

 

TS,

What is the religion of my background (what religion was I raised in), and what is my view of women in the church? You seem to have some information that I don't know about. Please share it with us.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I am not the one the started the whole game. You came back not with humbleness and gentleness, but came back with guns blazing in trying to justify yourself.

Go back and reread my initial post on this thread. It appears that you cannot deal with anyone questioning your thoughts or intentions. If that is the case, you will continually have a hard time on this board.

Better buckle up for a bumpy ride around here if you cannot dialogue without getting your feelings hurt everytime someone questions you.

 

What religion was I raised in and what are my views of women in the Church?

Joseph Botwinick

 

1. I was born and raised in a Southern Baptist Church. My dad was the first person on his side of the family to leave Judaism and become a Christian about 5-6 years before I was born. I am an ethnic Jew, not religious.

2. I don't expect you to embrace my point of view because I am male or for any other reason. I do expect you to pick a view, and then defend it using Scripture. This far, you have failed to do so. Furthermore, I expect you not to throw a fit when somebody else challenges your worldview and debates it with you. This is a DEBATE forum. Take a look and see for yourself.

3. Furthermore, your generalizations of the Jewish faith are not completely accurate. You do understand that there are many different views on many different things in Judaism. These people are dead wrong on many theological issues, but they do have brains and are capable of thinking for themselves.

4. Ask Dr. Bob. He was here many years ago when I first began posting here. He knows that my views of women in the Church don't exactly fit your stereotype of what you think all Jews believe or even the views of many Southern Baptists today. I will admit, however, that I have gone back and forth on what I believe on some of these issues. You see, in spite of your generalization of me and my "culture", I do actually have a brain and can critically analyse what I do and do not believe and even change my mind every now and then.

Joseph Botwinick

[ May 23, 2005, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: Joseph_Botwinick ]

 

Well I apologize if I have come off as arrogant, etc.

I just simply feel that you intentions were off, and you came back the wrong way.

But hey, whatever floats your boat. I will leave this thread alone as it is clear you have your mind made up.

 

BillyMac: "Why should she be the one to retract or apologize???
You came across accusatory and with guns
a blazing against her. Why don't you apologize???"

Amen, Brother BillyMac -- Preach it!

Just because a person gets offended because he didn't
understand what another person said is NO REASON
to come out "with guns a blazing".