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[percho]

Open to all.

Is the one called Satan a created being?
Is Satan the adversary of God?
Did God create Satan, as an adversary, or did the one God created, become an adversary?

Luke 10:18 KJV And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:18 YLT and he said to them, 'I was beholding the Adversary, as lightning from the heaven having fallen;

When?


Speculate if you like. I will not get mad.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Open to all.

Is the one called Satan a created being?
Is Satan the adversary of God?
Did God create Satan, as an adversary, or did the one God created, become an adversary?

Luke 10:18 KJV And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:18 YLT and he said to them, 'I was beholding the Adversary, as lightning from the heaven having fallen;

When?


Speculate if you like. I will not get mad.

Most of the Rabbinical guys I have spoken to do not view the devil as an adversary, rather a created being. Now in John, Jesus states that Satan is a liar and the father of all lies, not a good quality and character for one of Gods created beings (however these Rabbinical guys basically dismiss Jesus teachings). Since I am a Christian, I believe it when Jesus points out Flaws of Character in Lucifer. I also contend that another flaw is his willingness to tempt humans… which was presented at man’s fall from Grace … that w/o Christs saving Grace sticks to us like glue.

as to when, read Genesis on the 6th day upon the creation of man.

 

[percho]

Most of the Rabbinical guys I have spoken to do not view the devil as an adversary, rather a created being. Now in John, Jesus states that Satan is a liar and the father of all lies, not a good quality and character for one of Gods created beings (however these Rabbinical guys basically dismiss Jesus teachings). Since I am a Christian, I believe it when Jesus points out Flaws of Character in Lucifer. I also contend that another flaw is his willingness to tempt humans… which was presented at man’s fall from Grace … that w/o Christs saving Grace sticks to us like glue.

as to when, read Genesis on the 6th day upon the creation of man.

Thanks for posting.

Are you saying somewhere in the verses of the creation of man is when, Satan like lighting fell from heaven?

 

[JonC]

Open to all.

Is the one called Satan a created being?
Is Satan the adversary of God?
Did God create Satan, as an adversary, or did the one God created, become an adversary?

Luke 10:18 KJV And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:18 YLT and he said to them, 'I was beholding the Adversary, as lightning from the heaven having fallen;

When?


Speculate if you like. I will not get mad.

Is the one called Satan a created being? Yes.
Is Satan the adversary of God? Yes and no (an adversary of man, but also Christ as He was made flesh).
Did God create Satan, as an adversary, or did the one God created, become an adversary? Ultimately as an adversary of man.

 

[tyndale1946]

Thanks for posting.

Are you saying somewhere in the verses of the creation of man is when, Satan like lighting fell from heaven?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Lord created the universe out of nothing?... And God tells us how Satan came to be... I heard say that he's and angel fallen from heaven and I also heard one preacher say if that is so, why would I want to go there if God cannot control one angel... If rebellion happened before it could happen again... Rebellion happened in the Garden... And the heaven lucifer fell from and became our adversary was the garden.

Genesis 3: 1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 

[Scarlett O.]

Either Satan was created or else he is eternal and omnipotent like God.

The latter is impossible, ergo Satan was created. Just like a turnip. Further evidence that he was created is that he was made among the angel delegation.

He was NOT created as an evil being, but as the beautiful cherub, Lucifer. In his beauty, he became prideful to the degree that he wanted to overtake God's place.

He fell. Can I give you a timeline? No.

 

[percho]

@Scarlett O
@tyndale1946
@JonC
@Earth Wind and Fire


in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; Heb 1:2
The ages, plural, what ages, how many, may require speculation? I know, I don't know how many.

From 2 Cor 4:4 in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving,
Eph 6:11,12 put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil, because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places; ----- ? this age, what age? Same age as in 2 Cor 4:4?

?Darkness? What darkness?

From 2 Cor 4:6 because God who said, Out of darkness, light to shine, -----
John 3:19 'And this is the judgment, that the light hath come to the world, and men did love the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil; ----- Did men begin with Adam. Did Adam love the darkness? ----- What darkness? What age?

Gen 1:2 YLT the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,
From 2 Cor 4:6 because God who said, Out of darkness, light to shine,
and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. And God seeth the light, that good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness,

Is the darkness of this age the darkness of Gen 1:2? Was the earth wasted and void because Satan had been cast out of the heaven of God's throne to the earth? Is that what began the darkness of this age?


BTW All actually means All in my mind. All join in.

 

[percho]

Rev 21:25 and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there;

New age, I guess. Wonder what happened to darkness?

Heb 2:14 Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through [the] death he might destroy him having the power of [the] death -- that is, the devil -- [the ] in the Greek.

I wonder how, before the foundation of the world, God was going to destroy the darkness of this age?

BTW Does, "through," mean into and out of?