My Theology (6/24h Day Creation, Pre-Trib Pre-Mill, Provisionist, Inerrant Word of God believer)

[timtofly]

I thought that it was Kindergarten where one learned all he needed to know. I know--off topic.

I thought that the Tribulation was seven years.

Now it is preschool, the year before kindergarten.

That is catch up to all those babies, whose mom's play recordings to the baby in the womb.

 

[37818]

To quote Ken Ham, I imagine that you have believed the old earth and millions and millions of years for millions and millions of years.

There are two issues. Number 1 is, the written word of God is true. The ages 1000s of years - billions of years are matters of interpretation. The bottom line is what is undersstood to be the truth.

 

[church mouse guy]

There are two issues. Number 1 is, the written word of God is true. The ages 1000s of years - billions of years are matters of interpretation. The bottom line is what is undersstood to be the truth.

Oh, you know the history of Hinduism and the Greeks and the Enlightenment and the science of the Flood. Now we have new DNA evidence about the dispersion of peoples from the Tower of Babel:

 

[canadyjd]

What future are you talking about? The 3 years of trib, or a 1000 year reign of the Word of God, Jesus Christ, the Lamb on earth?


People are funny, even in the United States we are not one joint Rebulican Democratic single like minded entity. Some times there is a 4 or 8 year period where one party makes policy and then another 4 or 8 year period for the other party. It could be 1 single 16 year period to even see both at work. The trib is only a 3 year period right now. How divided do you think having 1 year for the church, 1 for the House of Jacob, and 1 for the Nations is? God is way more concise than even one nation in this harvest of souls.

The Millennium has nothing to do with the past one iota. It is the Lord's Day for the Lord Jesus Christ. The 6000 year punishment given to Adam is over. Those in Christ will live as the original sons of God created on the 6th day. Those coming out of the Great Tribulation will replenish the earth for 1000 years. They will or will not join with Satan for one last Battle, Gog and Megog.

Matt 25 seems clear concerning post trib rapture.

Revelation and other apocalyptic writings are symbolic and vague. The 1000 years is not literal but symbolic. I do not, personally expect anything on this earth after the rapture. I expect eternity in heaven or hell for all who exist.

There is no separate future for Jews, outside the church. The “all Israel will be saved” from Romans 10-11, refers to all who are the Israel of God, made up of Jew and Gentile and saved by Christ and made into the one new man per Eph 2.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

You don't post much, do you? Jews must be saved to go to Heaven. Unsaved Jews have the same bleak future that any other non-Christian has now. God restored Israel to the Jews in 1948 after He had scattered them throughout the world in 70 AD through Rome.

I don't know what you mean when you say that the Law has been abolished?

Sorry I misunderstood you. Forgive me for taking offense when none was given.

I’m not convinced God “restored Israel” to the Jews in 1948. Israel, according to scripture, is a people, not a place as it is considered now. The “Israel of God” is a people made up of both Jew and Gentile.

Eph 2 says Jesus abolished the Law.

I think that means Jesus abolished the Law when He fulfilled the Law dying on the cross and being raised to life.

What do you think Eph 2 means when it says Jesus abolished the Law?

peace to you

 

[John of Japan]

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4) Not sure what "Provisionist" means exactly, but if that means you hold to the "PROVIDE" acronym, I think the view comes very close to the truth.

I'd like to know this too.

 

[JonShaff]

I'd like to know this too.

It’s a term some have coined that means not Calvinist and not Arminian. Leighton Flowers uses it a lot I believe. Or maybe it’s best understood—all the correct points that Calvinism asserts and all the correct points Arminian assert

 

[church mouse guy]

It’s a term some have coined that means not Calvinist and not Arminian. Leighton Flowers uses it a lot I believe. Or maybe it’s best understood—all the correct points that Calvinism asserts and all the correct points Arminian assert

Is this term of provisionist considered synonymous with traditionalist?

 

[JonShaff]

Is this term of provisionist considered synonymous with traditionalist?

LOL probably

 

[Jem Simmo]

Now why did you not say "If I am wrong show me from the Bible"? Something like that. That omission here in a discussion group tells me all I need to know. You do not want discussion. You just want to vent. Have fun.

Yes, at the time I was venting. Yes, I could have said that. If I have stirred you up wrongly I apologise. Thank you for your comment.

 

[Jem Simmo]

One has to open their eyes before they can see. Baby steps, or crawling. Just rolling over is ok with those whose eyes are shut.

Metaphor has not always been my thing. I think I understand what you are saying. I'm not sure though. Are you saying that I have my eyes closed to other theology?

 

[Jem Simmo]

If one had a really tall soapbox, they have a lot of soap, but the harder one has to fall.

I have always had an understanding that Baptists "Generally" hold these theological points. Unless things have changed dramatically, then I'm surprised.

 

[Jem Simmo]

What do you think of J.D. Greear?

I am not a Southern Baptist so have no view. But from Podcast I've listened to from Soteriology 101 and Worldview Weekend. I don't hear enthusiasm.

 

[Jem Simmo]

So far that seems the normal stance in most threads and all forums. An honest person is harder to find these days. Sincerity is not really honesty, most people hide behind really big sincere guns. Some are just passive aggressive.

Are you calling me honest? I am trying to be honest, I do let my feelings get in the way sometimes. Mainly frustration.

 

[Jem Simmo]

Eph 2 clearly tells us that Jews and Gentiles have been joined into one new man by Jesus’ death on the cross. The Law has been abolished.

For there to be a separate future for National Israel and the Church, the unification accomplished by Christ’ death must be undone which is impossible.

peace to you

Yes I see your point. Yet after the rapture the Nation of Israel is still here and Antichrist is suppose to sell them a false bill of goods.

From my point Paul does does seperate the two prayer in Romans 10:1 for the nation of Israel is distinct from the church, or in 1 Cor 10:32 when he makes a distinction would have no point in this passage. Paul again sites the as seperate in Romans 9:3-4 When he refers to Israel as Kinsman in the flesh when he ascribes their everlasting covenants and their prophecy.

 

[Jem Simmo]

What future are you talking about? The 3 years of trib, or a 1000 year reign of the Word of God, Jesus Christ, the Lamb on earth?


People are funny, even in the United States we are not one joint Rebulican Democratic single like minded entity. Some times there is a 4 or 8 year period where one party makes policy and then another 4 or 8 year period for the other party. It could be 1 single 16 year period to even see both at work. The trib is only a 3 year period right now. How divided do you think having 1 year for the church, 1 for the House of Jacob, and 1 for the Nations is? God is way more concise than even one nation in this harvest of souls.

The Millennium has nothing to do with the past one iota. It is the Lord's Day for the Lord Jesus Christ. The 6000 year punishment given to Adam is over. Those in Christ will live as the original sons of God created on the 6th day. Those coming out of the Great Tribulation will replenish the earth for 1000 years. They will or will not join with Satan for one last Battle, Gog and Megog.

, is this Amillennialism???

 

[Jem Simmo]

Hello,
Glad to see that you profess faith in Jesus.
It is also good to see you desire to study the bible
Peter says as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the word that you may grow by it.
You have just started to search out a few ideas and try and formulate a theology.
These things are good and necessary.
There is a lot more to consider

One of my grandchildren came off the school bus from his first grade class, after his first week and announced that he has learned all he needed to know and did not feel he needed to return to learn anything else.
Do you agree with him?
or
Do you think he does not know,what he does not know?

I totally understand what you're saying. I don't claim to know everything, I know that the Lord has so much for me to learn. I guess what I have said through what I stand on currently has taken me a good 15 years to work through and allowed the Holy Spirit to work in my heart. These things I am confident on, there is more that the bible has to teach me so I definitely don't have everything sorted. But these theological points are definitely what I believe the scripture teaches.

I appreciate the gentleness in which you asked thank you.

 

[Jem Simmo]

Hi Jem, thanks for your "full disclosure."

4) Not sure what "Provisionist" means exactly, but if that means you hold to the "PROVIDE" acronym, I think the view comes very close to the truth.

5) Certainly God's word is reliable and trustworthy, and is the final authority for faith and practice.

Thanks, yes I agree with all you are saying. I like to treat the scripture as truthful. If it isn't what is the point of believing it...you know what I mean.


Provisionist is just another term for Southern Baptist Traditionalism. I find it actually works quite well with a dispensational theology. Thank you for your gentleness. I wasn't very loving or gentle in the original post.

 

[Jem Simmo]

Is this term of provisionist considered synonymous with traditionalist?

Yes, I'm afraid it does

 

[Covenanter]

Is this term of provisionist considered synonymous with traditionalist?

Thanks, yes I agree with all you are saying. I like to treat the scripture as truthful. If it isn't what is the point of believing it...you know what I mean.

Provisionist is just another term for Southern Baptist Traditionalism. I find it actually works quite well with a dispensational theology. Thank you for your gentleness. I wasn't very loving or gentle in the original post.

Such are labels are very confusing - they are far more meaningful to the one sticking the label than to the one labelled.

I understand the label "traditionalist" aka "provisionist" should be rejected according to our Lord -

He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? Mat. 15:3​

and Paul -

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. Col. 2:8​

and Peter -

knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 1 Peter 1:18​

We must use the Word of God to examine our religious traditions, and only hold what is taught in the Word by Jesus & his Apostles. Even the teaching of the Law & Prophets needs to be understood in the light of Christ & his New Covenant -

Luke 24:21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel....

25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
​

There is valid tradition that MUST be centred on the LORD Jesus Christ -

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Thes. 2:15

But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. 2 Thes. 3:6​

Remember the the RCs hold their traditions as a correct interpretation of the Scriptures, and include the Apocryphal writings as Scriptures.