Mysticism in the church

[agedman]

As I watched the life of the rebellious of the 60's and 70's there also was the bringing in of the mysticism.

The chasing after Tibetan guru seems strange now, but the Dalia Lama (spelling?) was headline news at times.

The reason that I bring this to the attention of the Bible and Theology forum is to inquire of others.

Imo, there is a return by the 21st century church to forms and practices associated with mysticism.

The practice of a trance like opening of the mind, the mindlessness of repetition (not just in the music), the desire for a "deeper" experience or a mountain top "illumination," .... all are pat of the mysticism I saw decades ago in the world.

The Scriptures speak very clearly concerning meditation being right and good.

But such Scripture reading, prayer and meditation are not done by trance or by repetition, nor by seeking some deeper illumination, but by carefully studying and pondering possible applications to one's personal life and choices
. That is true meditation - the other is mysticism.

Music and preaching that seeks to in-trance, to bring a mindlessness through repetition, and desiring for some deeper illumination is also engaging in mysticism rather than Scripture and exalting God.

Is there evidence that you see in this age of this happening, or is it my own failure to understand what I view?

What are your own thoughts.

You will notice that I provided no Scriptures, but that isn't particularly a part of this thread.

This is on practices that I have seen and what may be the demonic forces again attempting to distract and allure the flock from the Scriptural truths.

 

[Marooncat79]

Just yesterday, I read an article about a young lady who was a supposed Christian, member of a church, who especially loved mysticism, witchcraft, magic, crystals, and the occult.

interesting times in which we live

BTW, not kidding about young lady.
How sad

 

[Marooncat79]

I have always said Charismaania is very close to occult mysticism

Happy Easter Everyone

 

[CalTech]

As I watched the life of the rebellious of the 60's and 70's there also was the bringing in of the mysticism.

The chasing after Tibetan guru seems strange now, but the Dalia Lama (spelling?) was headline news at times.

The reason that I bring this to the attention of the Bible and Theology forum is to inquire of others.

Imo, there is a return by the 21st century church to forms and practices associated with mysticism.

The practice of a trance like opening of the mind, the mindlessness of repetition (not just in the music), the desire for a "deeper" experience or a mountain top "illumination," .... all are pat of the mysticism I saw decades ago in the world.

The Scriptures speak very clearly concerning meditation being right and good.

But such Scripture reading, prayer and meditation are not done by trance or by repetition, nor by seeking some deeper illumination, but by carefully studying and pondering possible applications to one's personal life and choices
. That is true meditation - the other is mysticism.

Music and preaching that seeks to in-trance, to bring a mindlessness through repetition, and desiring for some deeper illumination is also engaging in mysticism rather than Scripture and exalting God.

Is there evidence that you see in this age of this happening, or is it my own failure to understand what I view?

What are your own thoughts.

You will notice that I provided no Scriptures, but that isn't particularly a part of this thread.

This is on practices that I have seen and what may be the demonic forces again attempting to distract and allure the flock from the Scriptural truths.

Greetings!

Thank you for bringing this topic forward, it is a very important issue!

(oh by the way, to answer your spelling question it is spelled "Dalai Lama......")

I have been doing the research on this since the mid-too late 90's, because I as a babe in Christ was introduced to all manner of Doctrine of Demons due to my ignorance and lack of understanding the Lord's word! When I was just a couple of months in the Lord, I got involved with cult group, which I did not realize at the time was a cult, but after my separation from them due to a raid upon the "compound" by police in the early 80's, and the arrest of our woman pastor/teacher/prophetess who committed a number of abuses to various person's in the "fellowship".
I was introduced to Origen, Oswald Chambers, Watchman Nee, Jessie Penn Lewis, Madame Guyon, William Branham, (Manifested Sons of God movement) John Roberts Steven's (The Latter Days Rain movement), Rees Howells, Author Katherine Bushnel (God's Word to Women) Author Frank Viola (Rethinking the Wine Skin), just to mention a few.......however I do think you get my drift.
My faith with this "cult" was a tremendous learning experience, however I've come to see this much much later in the 90's. I suffered much from this cult.
I've also been involved with John Wimber, "The Vineyard Movement", Morris Cerullo ministries, Joyce Meyers, I've been slain in the "spirit", also involved with the New Apostolic movement, where music "hypnotism" was very prevalent, also had some experience with the "Alpha Omega program out of the Anglican church of England". I've been to the Pentecostal, Charismatic groups also........... however the LORD has delivered me out from ALL of them! Praise His name!

The Lord had caused me to do much research into all of these influences back in the late 90's, and I found that much of these Mystic beliefs started back in the late 1800's but increased exponentially during the 1900's amongst "so-called" believer's. Mystic belief's can be traced through the "Methodist's, Pentecostal's, and Charismatic's", belief systems and now present in every denomination due to Masonic occult influences.......which is most prevalent within the Southern Baptist Convention, Calvary Chapel, and every "mega-church" organizations and so-called Christian ministries, magazines, Christian NGO's, Christian Universities, College's, Seminaries...

We certainly are living and seeing the Great falling away in these "last days".

The Lord bless you........

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

agedman said in post #1:

"What are your own thoughts.

You will notice that I provided no Scriptures, but that isn't particularly a part of this thread.

This is on practices that I have seen and what may be the demonic forces again attempting to distract and allure the flock from the Scriptural truths."

Here is my reply, agedman.

Scripture teaches that before the end of all things, all nations will have been deceived by sorceries:

Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

There is abundant evidence that is readily available about occult music from all over the world. Such music is therefore one of the chief ways that Satan, his demons, and occultists have already corrupted the world. The widespread use of such music in many churches shows that the occult has had pervasive influences in much of the church.

 

[just-want-peace]

—————This is on practices that I have seen and what may be the demonic forces again attempting to distract and allure the flock from the Scriptural truths.

Agree 100%!!!
Just never thought of this stuff in these terms, but I’ve never been totally at ease with much of “modern” worship styles. But I have attributed a large portion of that un-ease to just my preference, as I have never, NEVER, understood the need(???)/preference to stand for 20 -30 minutes repeating the same few words at deafening decibel levels.
You have given me another aspect to consider, and I must say that it bears strong consideration!!!

 

[CalTech]

Agree 100%!!!
Just never thought of this stuff in these terms, but I’ve never been totally at ease with much of “modern” worship styles. But I have attributed a large portion of that un-ease to just my preference, as I have never, NEVER, understood the need(???)/preference to stand for 20 -30 minutes repeating the same few words at deafening decibel levels.
You have given me another aspect to consider, and I must say that it bears strong consideration!!!

Praise the Lord you are seeing more and more what you were sensing was NOT of the Lord, nor the Author of such putrefying worship music, because it all comes from the flesh, and the devil rules the flesh!
For those that walk in the Spirit will NOT serve the flesh!

The Lord bless you.....
In His Love.....