N.H.S. Death Panels ?

[Matt Black]

thanks for confirming why the government does not need to control health care.

It doesn't. It provides - as resources permit - healthcare free at the point of delivery for those who wish to avail themselves of it. Privately-funded - either directly or via insurance - is not illegal in this country, so it is incorrect to say that the government controls access to healthcare.

A further point: in what way is an NHS hospital trust manager making decisions about which treatments s/he is able and willing to fund any different from a private healthcare insurance company making the same sort of decisions based on the same sort of criteria? Whether the healthcare is publicly or insurance-based funded, the same hard choices need to be made from time to time.

 

[billwald]

The options are the government controlling access to expensive medical stuff or the working class not getting more than pain killers and cheap procedures.

Doesn't matter because I have a 100% benefit and none of you are working class. Or does one of you get the same quality medical service as Obama?

 

[mont974x4]

How do you figure none of us are working class?

 

[Revmitchell]

It doesn't. It provides - as resources permit - healthcare free at the point of delivery for those who wish to avail themselves of it. Privately-funded - either directly or via insurance - is not illegal in this country, so it is incorrect to say that the government controls access to healthcare.

A further point: in what way is an NHS hospital trust manager making decisions about which treatments s/he is able and willing to fund any different from a private healthcare insurance company making the same sort of decisions based on the same sort of criteria? Whether the healthcare is publicly or insurance-based funded, the same hard choices need to be made from time to time.

This is the problem liberals always fail to see. There is a huge difference between what the free market does and what government does. When government does it, it is always by force. If government is involved it is always different just by the nature of it being government.

Now, in reference to government controlling health care my comment was in reference to the US and where we should not go. I was not commenting on whatever you guys are doing.

 

[billwald]

No offense intended

I thought everyone else on bb was "middle class."

 

[LadyEagle]

Lady Eagle note: I meant to move this to the Politics forum and my finger must have slipped. Will a mod please move this thread to Politics? Thanks. :flower:

LE

 

[saturneptune]

It doesn't. It provides - as resources permit - healthcare free at the point of delivery for those who wish to avail themselves of it. Privately-funded - either directly or via insurance - is not illegal in this country, so it is incorrect to say that the government controls access to healthcare.

A further point: in what way is an NHS hospital trust manager making decisions about which treatments s/he is able and willing to fund any different from a private healthcare insurance company making the same sort of decisions based on the same sort of criteria? Whether the healthcare is publicly or insurance-based funded, the same hard choices need to be made from time to time.

Would you please tell what article of the Constitution establishes federal or state government running or regulating health care? Where does the idea of insurance companies running health care decisions originate? Insurance is a private contract between an individual or group of individuals and the insurance company to cover a medical loss. What does that have to do with what type of care a person receives? The insurance contract defines the limits of the indemnity.

You ask why "an NHS trust manager making decisions about treatments is any different from private healthcare insurance?" The difference is that private industry must make good decisions to stay in business, and government entities do not have to make good decisions, and are not accountable. For that matter, why is either making the decision? It is the decision of the patient.

 

[saturneptune]

I thought everyone else on bb was "middle class."

I would think that is correct. Middle class (including lower) is anyone with a gross income above $35,000. The first thing that comes to mind, if one is not at least lower middle class, then how are they paying an internet bill to be on Baptist Board? The next thing is that many on here have a Christian vocation. I do not know of any pastor or other Christian leader that makes less than $35,000. In the totality of expenses in raising a family, if one is raising a family, an internet connection bill would be very low on the priority list.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

This debate between US and UK residents and systems is one that will never be sorted. We are talking about two totally different mindsets and cultures. Those is the UK (and Ireland) cannot understand how any country could not have health care for the poor. It makes no sense at all. Those in the US cannot imagine that any country would have a free health care system and accept it readily.

After nearly 20 years living in another system I know that this kind of cross-cultural debate is like men trying to understand women and vice-versa .

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I agree the partisanship is entranced, but what part of what Sarah Palin said about this takeover isn't true ?

 

[billwald]

>Would you please tell what article of the Constitution establishes federal or state government running or regulating health care?

Don't know how the party that makes this argument also wants a federal law requiring interstate access to insurance policies.