Na-28!!!

[Greektim]

Anyone else excited about the newest edition of the GNT??? Can't wait!

Check it out here:
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.se/2012/06/nestle-aland-28-in-press.html

I especially like the options here:
Blue hardcover (1008 pp.), ISBN 978-3-438-05140-0: €28
Black leather imitation, ISBN 978-3-438-05155-4: €38
Blue leather imitation, ISBN 978-3-438-05156-1: €38
With Greek English dictionary (1239 pp.), ISBN: 978-3-438-05160-8: ca €36
With Greek-German dictionary (1219 pp.), ISBN: 978-3-438-05159-2: ca €36
Greek-English edition (1728 pp.) with New Revised Standard Version and Revised English Bible, ISBN: 978-3-438-05162-2: ca €45 EUR

 

[Greektim]

Anyone else excited about the newest edition of the GNT??? Can't wait!

Check it out here:
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.se/2012/06/nestle-aland-28-in-press.html

I especially like the options here:
Blue hardcover (1008 pp.), ISBN 978-3-438-05140-0: €28
Black leather imitation, ISBN 978-3-438-05155-4: €38
Blue leather imitation, ISBN 978-3-438-05156-1: €38
With Greek English dictionary (1239 pp.), ISBN: 978-3-438-05160-8: ca €36
With Greek-German dictionary (1219 pp.), ISBN: 978-3-438-05159-2: ca €36
Greek-English edition (1728 pp.) with New Revised Standard Version and Revised English Bible, ISBN: 978-3-438-05162-2: ca €45 EUR

I must be the only Greek geek excited about this.

 

[Van]

Perhaps a synopsis of the differences from NA27 would trigger more commentary?

 

[preachinjesus]

ETC is on my RSS reader and I saw this the other day. I guess I'm not a Greek Geek much since it didn't really do too much for me. I'm a UBS4 guy, but understand a lot of my more Greekly inclined friends are excited.

 

[Deacon]

I'll be excited when it is digitalized with the apparatus.

Rob

 

[Greektim]

Perhaps a synopsis of the differences from NA27 would trigger more commentary?

I guess you didn't hit the link

 

[Greektim]

ETC is on my RSS reader and I saw this the other day. I guess I'm not a Greek Geek much since it didn't really do too much for me. I'm a UBS4 guy, but understand a lot of my more Greekly inclined friends are excited.

The amount of textual variants in the UBS4 pales in comparison to the NA 26 & 27. That's why I don't really bother with the UBS anymore. Plus, laparola does a great job with textual variants that exceeds the NA27. Since LU's library is so bad for NT studies, I had to rely on that website for Js. 2:19 (just wrote a paper on this v.) since I was away from my school (SEBTS).

 

[John of Japan]

The amount of textual variants in the UBS4 pales in comparison to the NA 26 & 27. That's why I don't really bother with the UBS anymore. Plus, laparola does a great job with textual variants that exceeds the NA27. Since LU's library is so bad for NT studies, I had to rely on that website for Js. 2:19 (just wrote a paper on this v.) since I was away from my school (SEBTS).

The NA apparatus is the only reason I'd buy it (and I may buy it if some extra cash shows up). It's the best apparatus out there. I think other Greek NTs cover the other stuff just as well. As for the text, well, I'm really looking forward to taking my new Robinson-Pierpont 2 back to Japan in a couple of weeks.:type:

 

[SolaSaint]

I love Bible syudy and Apologetics and I read a lot, but I have yet to get the desire to study Greek. I've heard many theologians state that anyone serious needs to learn Greek and study the Greek texts. My philosophy has always been find trusted theologians and study their commentaries and Systematic Theologies. I have John MacArthurs commentaries on the NT and plan on acquiring Expositors OT commentaries. I have two Systematic Theologies and several works by respected conservative theologians. With all that said, do I need to learn Greek to come to a better understanding of scripture? I trust the books I have, but please give me your best sales pitch and I may change :thumbs:

 

[John of Japan]

I love Bible syudy and Apologetics and I read a lot, but I have yet to get the desire to study Greek. I've heard many theologians state that anyone serious needs to learn Greek and study the Greek texts. My philosophy has always been find trusted theologians and study their commentaries and Systematic Theologies. I have John MacArthurs commentaries on the NT and plan on acquiring Expositors OT commentaries. I have two Systematic Theologies and several works by respected conservative theologians. With all that said, do I need to learn Greek to come to a better understanding of scripture? I trust the books I have, but please give me your best sales pitch and I may change :thumbs:

Without a knowledge of Greek, you can't properly evaluate the references to Greek in the books you mentioned, MacArthur's commentaries, etc. For example, MacArthur goes with the pastor-teacher paradigm (as opposed to both pastors and teachers) in his works based on the application of the Granville-Sharpe rule of Greek grammar to Eph. 4:11. However, the mistake he makes is that the GS rule is only applied to singular nouns, and the nouns in that verse are all plural.

 

[SolaSaint]

I tried to catch your words as they flew over my head. lol

I think I will trust Johnny MAC instead of investing so much time in Greek probably to come to the same understanding, IMO, no offense.

 

[Greektim]

I love Bible syudy and Apologetics and I read a lot, but I have yet to get the desire to study Greek. I've heard many theologians state that anyone serious needs to learn Greek and study the Greek texts. My philosophy has always been find trusted theologians and study their commentaries and Systematic Theologies. I have John MacArthurs commentaries on the NT and plan on acquiring Expositors OT commentaries. I have two Systematic Theologies and several works by respected conservative theologians. With all that said, do I need to learn Greek to come to a better understanding of scripture? I trust the books I have, but please give me your best sales pitch and I may change :thumbs:

Based on what you have, it really depends how deep you want to go. In other words, the more you study, the more questions you uncover. That said, if you feel like you have uncovered all you need to learn and have "arrived" (I hope not), then you don't need anything else. But based on your "two Systematic Theologies" and other stuff, I'd say that you are just now scratching the surface.

Greek doesn't answer every question. And like I said, it will raise a whole bunch more. But it will give you clarity and accuracy in many cases that you can't get. Plus, it will help with the more critical and deeper exegetical commentaries. The good ones are based on the Greek text. They can't help you if you don't understand the jargon nor Greek grammar and syntax.

 

[SolaSaint]

Based on what you have, it really depends how deep you want to go. In other words, the more you study, the more questions you uncover. That said, if you feel like you have uncovered all you need to learn and have "arrived" (I hope not), then you don't need anything else. But based on your "two Systematic Theologies" and other stuff, I'd say that you are just now scratching the surface.

Greek doesn't answer every question. And like I said, it will raise a whole bunch more. But it will give you clarity and accuracy in many cases that you can't get. Plus, it will help with the more critical and deeper exegetical commentaries. The good ones are based on the Greek text. They can't help you if you don't understand the jargon nor Greek grammar and syntax.

Thanks Tim

 

[Van]

Pitchback

I guess you didn't hit the link

My comment did seem to trigger discussion, albeit mostly to express indifference. Yes, I saw to table of differences but no commentary on those of doctrinal significance.

 

[preachinjesus]

The amount of textual variants in the UBS4 pales in comparison to the NA 26 & 27. That's why I don't really bother with the UBS anymore. Plus, laparola does a great job with textual variants that exceeds the NA27. Since LU's library is so bad for NT studies, I had to rely on that website for Js. 2:19 (just wrote a paper on this v.) since I was away from my school (SEBTS).

Given that my day-to-day exegetical needs are limited (I've honestly never had to give a nuanced explanation of a textual variant in my vocational ministry) the UBS4 is a fine text for me. Now if I was dealing with NT Greek studies, then I'd probably be getting pumped about the NA27.

The one thing I would like (as someone else has mentioned) is to get Accordance to post the apparatus for their NA text. Since I've moved to digital for most of my prep and exegetical work this would be fantabulous.

BTW, I completely agree that LU's library is terrible. Hopefully that will change soon.

 

[preachinjesus]

First I read this good post by JoJ...

Without a knowledge of Greek, you can't properly evaluate the references to Greek in the books you mentioned, MacArthur's commentaries, etc. For example, MacArthur goes with the pastor-teacher paradigm (as opposed to both pastors and teachers) in his works based on the application of the Granville-Sharpe rule of Greek grammar to Eph. 4:11. However, the mistake he makes is that the GS rule is only applied to singular nouns, and the nouns in that verse are all plural.

Them I read this reply by SolaSaint...

I tried to catch your words as they flew over my head. lol

I think I will trust Johnny MAC instead of investing so much time in Greek probably to come to the same understanding, IMO, no offense.

Well buddy JoJ just pointed out that Dr MacArthur uses a flawed approach to exegetical methodology. Then you blow past it and say you're gonna trust Dr MacArthur without any regard to what JoJ just posted.

Well I won't be taking much of you have to say seriously for a little bit. :BangHead:

 

[John of Japan]

I tried to catch your words as they flew over my head. lol

I think I will trust Johnny MAC instead of investing so much time in Greek probably to come to the same understanding, IMO, no offense.

A lot of MacArthur's material is good. He's mistaken on Eph. 4:11.

 

[Yeshua1]

Based on what you have, it really depends how deep you want to go. In other words, the more you study, the more questions you uncover. That said, if you feel like you have uncovered all you need to learn and have "arrived" (I hope not), then you don't need anything else. But based on your "two Systematic Theologies" and other stuff, I'd say that you are just now scratching the surface.

Greek doesn't answer every question. And like I said, it will raise a whole bunch more. But it will give you clarity and accuracy in many cases that you can't get. Plus, it will help with the more critical and deeper exegetical commentaries. The good ones are based on the Greek text. They can't help you if you don't understand the jargon nor Greek grammar and syntax.

Would say that the main advantage that diligent studies in the original languages bring someone would be the abilitiy to actual know and judge just why someone else writtings on a biblical topic/concept are 'right and proper!"

for if one 'just" quotes the sources, fully dependent upon how 'expert' they are in their understanding/interpretation!

And also ggod to realise and accept that finest 'scholars" also happen to disagree on many of the things we do here on the BB! So it helps, but is NOT infallible to understanding the scriptures!

 

[Van]

As JOJ correctly points out, some of times an expert claims the grammar required their interpretation, they are just blowing smoke. Here we find an application of the G/S rule where such an application according to other experts, including JOJ, say it is unlikely that Paul was referring to a single group. But it would also be unlikely that they are two separate groups, so a set, subset seems the best idea, i.e. all Pastors are teachers but not all teachers are pastors. Anyhow that is how Dr. Wallace sees it.

 

[Yeshua1]

Anyone else excited about the newest edition of the GNT??? Can't wait!

Check it out here:
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.se/2012/06/nestle-aland-28-in-press.html

I especially like the options here:
Blue hardcover (1008 pp.), ISBN 978-3-438-05140-0: €28
Black leather imitation, ISBN 978-3-438-05155-4: €38
Blue leather imitation, ISBN 978-3-438-05156-1: €38
With Greek English dictionary (1239 pp.), ISBN: 978-3-438-05160-8: ca €36
With Greek-German dictionary (1219 pp.), ISBN: 978-3-438-05159-2: ca €36
Greek-English edition (1728 pp.) with New Revised Standard Version and Revised English Bible, ISBN: 978-3-438-05162-2: ca €45 EUR

looks like my christman present!

How much American dollars though?