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Name that Honorary Doctor!

Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Paul33, May 25, 2005.

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  1. Bro. James

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    "..Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?", John 3:10.

    "Jesus answered and said unto him,(Nicodemus,the rabbi), Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3.

    Was Nicodemus not yet a "RRD"? (Right, Reverend, Doctor)

    Beware: the wolves dressed like sheep.

    Take the DD monies and give it to the poor--then go preach the gospel-- to the Ethiopians.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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  2. Dr.Tim

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    The issue of honorary doctorates is sticky because, now, everyone who has a doctoral degree and is IFB is presumed to be the recipient of an honorary doctorate. I'd also like to add that everyone knows that the word 'doctor' as prefixed before an IFB preacher's name has nothing to do with education, but rather knowledge, work in the ministry, politics, etc.
     
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  3. Paul33

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    Hi Bart,

    The independent Baptist Fundamental folk I'm familiar with are: BJU, NBBC, DBTS, CBTS, MBBC, etc.

    These groups are trying to pass themselves off as more moderate than some of their brethren.

    Their positions are hypocritical and prideful.

    They say:

    We are not KJVO, but we only use the KJV in the pulpit and for teaching. Other versions are ok for personal study!

    We are separated from the world, but we honor each other with phony degrees and call each other doctor.

    These are only two of the hundreds of inconsistent positions that they take.

    Having experienced these folks up close and personal, you are right, I have them in my sites!
     
    #63 Paul33, Jul 14, 2005
  4. Bro. James

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    "Doctor" and "Reverend" are respect of persons appellations which are contrary to New Testament teaching.

    Reverend is a word reserved for God. It means that which is awesome. God, only, is so described.
    Titles tend to create pride, power and peons-- which breeds Nicolaitians, the deeds of whom Jesus hates.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
    #64 Bro. James, Jul 14, 2005
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    "Reverend is a word reserved for God."

    Interesting, the Hebrew word used in 300+ times in the Old Testament is translated as follows:
    fear 188, afraid 78, terrible 23, terrible thing 6, dreadful 5, reverence 3, fearful 2, terrible acts 1, misc 8 and only related to God directly twice, a quick snoop.

    Not sure how you can say it is a word reserved for God. :confused:
     
    #65 exscentric, Jul 14, 2005
  6. Pipedude

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    Did you check yor King Jesus Version? It shows up once: Ps 111.

    End of diskussion.

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    Rev. Dr. Pipedude
    Grand Titan
    Order of the Misspelled Nicolaitians
     
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  7. Paul33

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    Did you check yor King Jesus Version? It shows up once: Ps 111.

    End of diskussion.

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    Order of the Misspelled Nicolaitians     </font>[/QUOTE]371 verses!

    The Hebrew word is yaw-ray. It helps to know Hebrew!
     
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    I said the King Jesus Version!

    You cain't count yawrays in the KJV.

    (...durned Alexandrian intellectuals...)
     
    #68 Pipedude, Jul 14, 2005
  9. Paul33

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    Oops, I forgot. God used Shakespearean English when he wrote the Old Testament. Silly me.

    I think your point was that Ex didn't know what he was talking about, since the KJV used it only once. That's because even the KJV translators knew that yaw-ray means afraid, to be afraid. Therefore, it is used alot in the KJV, it just isnt' translated "reverend."

    I think you are just having fun. If not, even God can't help you.
     
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    Whew!

    I'll try to make it plainer next time.
     
    #70 Pipedude, Jul 15, 2005
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    Now that we are Hebrew scholars--where did we get authorization from God to stand in awe of men?

    Was this not one of the many shortcomings of the Scribes and Pharisees?

    In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, bond nor free--whence cometh the titles and respect of persons? (the flesh)

    Now what?

    Selah, Bro. James
     
    #71 Bro. James, Jul 17, 2005
  12. I Am Blessed 24

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    So when you are sick do you make an appointment with MR. Smith or DR. Smith?
     
    #72 I Am Blessed 24, Jul 17, 2005
  13. Bro. James

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    This is more about: "Your eminence","Your Most Holy Highness", etc. etc. in the hallowed halls of the religions of the world--and other places where "status quo" is in control.

    We call the president of our country(USA): Mr. President.

    My primary care physician I call Maam or Carolyn--she is an excellent GP.
     
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    I called some of my doctors by their first names, too.

    What blows my mind is the independent fundamental Baptist who claims to be separated from the world and then walks around in awe of his pastor who calls himself Dr. Jones, even though he didn't earn that right.

    We can't call our pastors, "reverend," but we sure don't have any problem calling them by the phony title, "doctor."
     
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    These are the men on the board of the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International.

    Some of these guys I know. Some have an earned Ph.D. from BJU.

    But does anyone seriously believe that all of these guys have earned doctorates. When these men flaunt their honorary doctorates in mass like at the FBFI site, are they not playing into the "pride of life" syndrome. What's so bad about being a humble pastor?

    We aren't supposed to call our pastors "reverend," but we can call these guys "doctor." Please.

    If you know where these men have their degrees from, please fill in the information.

    Dr. Rick Arrowood
    Troy Baptist Temple
    691 Staunton Road
    Troy, OH 45373
    513-339-3207


    Rev. James Baker
    Tabernacle Baptist Church
    717 N. Whitehurst Landing Road
    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
    757-424-4673


    Dr. Earl Barnett
    PO Box 4447
    Soldotna, AK 99669
    907-262-4618


    Capt Wayne A. Bley
    7138 Point Replete Circle
    Port Belvoir, VA 22060
    701-781-5951


    Dr. Charles Britt
    McEver Road Baptist Church
    5155 McEver Road
    Oakwood, GA 30566
    770-532-6501


    Dr. Gerald B. Carlson
    809 Northgreen Lane
    Rocky Mount, NC 27804


    Dr. Ed Caughill
    Tabernacle Baptist Church
    717 N. Whitehurst Landing Road
    Virginia Beach, VA 23464-2399
    757-420-5476


    Dr. Walt Coles
    Good News Baptist Church
    3252 Taylor Rd.
    Chesapeake, VA 23321
    757-488-3241


    Rev. Richard J. Cross
    Faith Baptist Church
    833 Fifteenth Ave.
    Longmont, CO 80501
    303-776-5655


    Dr. Johnny Daniels
    Calvary Baptist Tabernacle
    PO Box 2566
    Carolina, PR 00984
    809-769-0055


    Dr. Marion Fast
    1426 Pratt St.
    Longmont, CO 80501


    Dr. Collins Glenn
    Grace Baptist Church
    5801 River Road
    Muncie, IN 47304
    317-288-9569


    Dr. Bill Hall
    100 Waterford Cove
    Eads, TN 38028
    901-465-7975


    Pastor S. Bruce Hamilton
    138 Farewell Ave.
    Fairbanks, AK 99701
    907-456-2035


    Dr. Mike Harding
    First Baptist Church of Troy
    2601 John R
    Troy, MI 48084
    810-689-4555


    Dr. Gary Hirth
    Ann Arbor Baptist Church
    2150 S. Wagner Road
    Ann Arbor, MI 48103
    734-995-5144


    Dr. Sam Horn
    Northland Baptist Bible College
    W10085 Pike Plains Rd.
    Dunbar, WI 54119
    715-324-6900

    Ph.D. from BJU


    Dr. David Innes
    Hamilton Square Baptist Church
    1212 Geary St.
    San Francisco, CA 94109
    415-673-8586


    Dr. David Jaspers
    Maranatha Baptist Bible College
    745 West Main Street
    Watertown, WI 53094
    920-206-2310


    Dr. Bob Jones III
    Bob Jones University
    Greenville, SC 29614
    864-242-5100

    Honorary Doctorate.

    Dr. Gary Jones
    Farmington Avenue Baptist Church
    155 Mountain Rd.
    West Hartford, CT 06107
    860-521-8380


    Dr. Walter Kirk
    Emmanuel Baptist Church
    20418 Hwy 54
    Louisiana, MO 63354
    919-599-0114


    Dr. Tom Knauf
    798 Eastland Dr N
    Twin Falls, ID 83301


    Dr. Thomas Nieman
    Galilee Baptist Church
    11517 SE 208 Street
    Kent, WA 98031
    253-852-6282


    Dr. John C. Mincy
    Heritage Baptist Church
    5200 Heidorn Ranch Road
    Antioch, CA 94531
    925-757-5242


    Dr. Mark Minnick
    Mt. Calvary Baptist Church
    115 Cedar Lane Road
    Greenville, SC 29601


    Dr. Bennie Moran
    Faith Baptist Church
    809 Greenbag Rd.
    Morgantown, WV 26508
    304-292-9872


    Mr. Mike Moreau
    Harvest Media, Inc.
    22 Briarwood Court
    Schaumburg, IL 60193
    847-352-4345


    Dr. Fred Moritz
    Baptist World Mission
    PO Box 1463
    Decatur, AL 35602
    205-353-2221


    Rev. Jeff Musgrave
    Highlands Baptist Church of Littleton
    1510 E Phillips Ave.
    Littleton, CO 80122
    303-798-1203


    Dr. Ed Nelson
    Bethel Baptist Church
    11040 E. Escalante Rd.
    Tucson, AZ 85730
    520-722-0818


    Dr. Les Ollila
    Northland Baptist Bible College
    W10085 Pike Plains Road
    Dunbar, WI 54119
    715-324-6900

    Earned Bachelor's degree. No master's degree!

    Dr. Matthew R. Olson
    Northland Baptist Bible College
    W10085 Pike Plains Road
    Dunbar, WI 54119
    715-324-6900

    Doctor of Sacred Ministry from NBBC.
    No M.Div.? Not sure?

    Dr. David Pennington
    Burge Terrace Baptist Church
    9321 Brockville Rd.
    Indianapolis, IN 46239


    Dr. Chuck Phelps
    Trinity Baptist Church
    80 Clinton Street
    Concord, NH 03301-2237


    Dr. Kevin Schaal
    Northwest Valley Baptist Church
    4030 West Yorkshire Drive
    Glendale, AZ 85308
    623-581-3115


    Rev. Wilbur W. Schoneweis
    Emmanuel Independent Baptist Church
    411 Blunt Street
    Clay Center, KS 67432
    785-632-5939


    Dr. Randolph Shaylor
    Antioch Baptist Church
    6045 Riverdale Road
    College Park, GA 30337
    404-996-1955


    Rev. Bradley Smith
    Bethel Baptist Church
    200 N. Roselle Rd.
    Schaumburg, IL 60194
    847-885-3230


    Dr. John Stevens
    Northside Baptist Church
    7800 Northside Drive
    Charleston, SC 29418
    803-797-2690


    Dr. Bob Taylor
    Colonial Hills Baptist Church
    8140 Union Chapel Road
    Indianapolis, IN 46240


    Dr. Wayne Van Gelderen Jr.
    Falls Baptist Church
    Menomonee Falls, WI 53051
    414-251-7051


    Dr. Mike Yarborough
    Bethany Hills Baptist Chruch
    11701 Leesville Road
    Raleigh, NC 27613
    919-846-5483


    Dr. George D. Youstra
    Clearwater Christian College
    3400 Gulf-to-Bay Boulevard
    Clearwater, FL 33759
    727-726-1153
     
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  16. I Am Blessed 24

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    I am an IFB and have never heard of any of the above men.

    I call my pastor Preacher or Brother.
     
    #76 I Am Blessed 24, Jul 17, 2005
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    Seems it would be good, if this is so wrong that someone start sending some letters to the "erring" brethren and confront them with their error.

    I would think if credible evidence were given to them, that some of them might change their ways.

    [ July 17, 2005, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: exscentric ]
     
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    Drs. Horn and Minnick have earned Ph.D.'s from BJU. Youstra has his doctorate from Eastern Michigan, I recall. Most, if not all, of the others are honorary. Many of the honorary doctorates are from BJU. There are a few that I do not know for certain.

    However, I will stipulate that the honorary degrees are mostly D.D’s, which are solely honorary. Do you know of any real school awarding an earned D.D.? This recognizes achievement in the ministry and is not intended to indicate academic achievement or educational attainment. It is rather like the plaque you hang on your wall for 20 years of faithful and successful ministry. This is an acceptable practice that is recognized even by secular academia.

    My gripe is not with the non-academic, purely honorary D.D.’s but I am opposed to the use of bogus degree mill diplomas as if they were real academic degrees. Of course, it is wrong to use an honorary award as if it were an academic credential. Also, I will agree that many men use their honorary titles pridefully and wrongfully. One can even be gauche in flaunting a legitimately earned degree. Pride is a wicked vice that sneaks up on many.
     
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    Sho nuff! Check out the following web site for one of the degree mills where Jack "earned" a doctorate:

    http://www.christianbiblecollege.org/testimonies.htm

    This college is housed in a small office suite of two rooms in Rocky Mount, NC. Cecil Johnson has really made hay in promoting his school on Jack's coat tails. He also claims that CBC gave an honorary doctorate to D. James Kennedy, who has a legitimate doctorate from Univ. of London. The people at Kennedy's ministry deny any connection such as Dr. Kennedy accepting the degree, etc. What I can read from between the lines is that Cecil said, "We're going to give James Kennedy an honorary doctorate," and he wrote him a letter. We don't know whether Kennedy accepted or not. BTW, this is the guy who offered me a doctorate in anything I wanted if I would write his Ph.D. program in psychology. I declined.
     
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  20. Paul33

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    Paid,

    I agree with everything you just said. Praise the Lord! [​IMG]
     
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