Featured NASB2020 Head-To-Head With ESV

With regard to post #12 of mine :

The CSB
Ro. 5:18 has everyone
Matt. 4:19 has people
1 Cor. 2:5 has human wisdom
Eph. 4:8 has people
Ro. 1:18 has people

You have given rave reviews of the CSB. Does the fact that it uses inclusive language in these references as did the 2020NASB give you pause? I daresay that the CSB uses more inclusive language than the 2020 NASB throughout the canon.
Just where do you land? You don't care for the inclusive language of the 2020NASB. To be consistent you must not like the much greater use of inclusive language in the CSB. So somehow you like the CSB generally despite its pervasive inclusive language?

The 1984 NIV used very little IL. The ESV used a lot more than the 84 NIV. The NET uses more IL than the ESV. I haven't checked (may that could be the subject of a future thread) but the NET and CSB probably use about the same amount of IL. Then the current NIV and NLT use more than the NET and CSB. What is the ideal amount of IL that you are comfortable with? Which translation of the ones I mentioned or some other is the correct proportion for you?

 

Alex, again I ask, what Bible translation has the correct amount of inclusive language?

You like the CSB very much despite its inclusive language. The word despite means it's a negative factor for you. So does that mean you are comfortable with the ESV's use of inclusive language since that is your primary Bible translation?

The strength of the CSB is its use of generally clear, contemporary English. You are drawn to that. But that very strength of the CSB is the greatest weakness of the ESV.

Is the biblish of the ESV attractive to you? By that I mean the half Greek/half English it uses in the New Testament. In the Old Testament the same thing would apply to its form of biblish --half Hebrew/half English.

I'm in favor of Bible translations that use the current language of the people. John Purvey, Martin Luther and William Tyndale, to name a few noted translators, made this a guiding principle in their translating.

I'm also in favor of using common sense inclusive language. It's a natural way of speaking and writing.

Are you interested in English Bible translations that are usable to people who have English as a second or third language? Or do you prefer English Bible translations that are only suited for native English speakers? That is, the ESV is unsuitable for the former.

 

Alex, you did not address my questions. Before I introduce some more, please deal with the issues I raised.

 

Even the 1984 NIV had inclusive language, just not as much as the ESV, and certainly not as much as the CSB. The KJV had a bit of inclusive language now and then. So I'll ask again, in what translation or translations do you think is an appropriate amount of IL?

 

Alex, the above are issues I wish you would address. They have nothing to do with the topic of inclusive language.

 

So you are comfortable with the ESV which has a great deal more inclusive language than the 1984 NIV.

 

If around 130 or so alternatives in the ESV footnotes are eventually adopted in the text itself then you'd probably drop the ESV like a hot potato. That is because it would have the double whammy in your eyes of being too inclusive yet still using clunky English. The CSB on the other hand, has a lot of inclusive language in the text, but clear and more natural English grammar. So that would be just one hurdle for you instead of two.

 

Hey, let's have a round of applause for poor English!

 

Or rather, "I think I'll check out..."

 

Ecclesiastes

1:5
E : hastens to the place
N : hurrying to its place

2:2
E : It is mad
N : It is senseless

4:12
E : a threefold cord
N : A cord of three strands

5:2
E : nor let your heart be hasty
N : or impulsive in thought

5:20
E : he will not much remember
N : he will not often call to mind

6:3
E : the days of his years are many
N : lives many years

8:3
E : Be not hasty
N : Do not be in a hurry

8:8
E : There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it
N : there is no military discharge in the time of war, and evil will not save those who practice it

10:3
E : he says to everyone that he is a fool
N : he demonstrates to everyone that he is a fool

11:10
:E :for youth and the dawn of life are vanity
N : because childhood and the prime of life are fleeting