National Sales Tax Chatter Draws Fierce Opposition

[Revmitchell]

As lawmakers toy with the idea of an across-the-board sales tax on just about everything, tax reform advocates are starting to drum up opposition with the same fervor they employed during last month's anti-tax tea parties.

The idea of a national sales tax was once unlikely. But now that the federal government is doling out billions in stimulus spending and bailouts, and looking for billions more for health care reform, the prospect could be gaining some traction.

The frenzy over the idea kicked up after a Washington Post article Wednesday reported that Congress is starting to pay closer attention to this largely academic proposal and that the Obama administration, though shushing speculation, is soliciting advise from supporters of the idea.

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No taxes on the middle class huh? What a liar

 

[abcgrad94]

You can't get blood from a turnip. . .

 

[BigBossman]

I would favor a national sales tax over an income tax. I would have it carried out in this manner:

1. The tax rate would be locked in at 10% & could not be raised.

2. The tax would not apply to the following items:
A. Individual clothing items under $50.00.
B. Any type of food (homemade, restaraunt, or grocery bought) or beverage (excluding alcohol).
C. School & Office Supplies (Between July 1st & July 31st)
D. Any oil or fuel product (gasoline, diesel, automotive oil, etc)

3. Churches would still be able to maintain tax-exempt status. Retired veterans could also qualify for a tax-exempt status.

4. No one else would be exempt from this tax. Liberals who complain about rich people not "paying their fair share" wouldn't have to complain anymore about that.

My plan would only tax non-essential items, keep the rate low, & replace the income tax. A person could control how much tax they pay by controlling their spending habits. This would put true power in the hands of the individual tax payer. If a person has a problem with something our president has done or something that the Senate passed that they shouldn't have, they can boycott those taxable items to deprive the government of revenue. This would ensure that the government & elected officials listen to the voters. If I ever make a run for president, I will push this plan.

 

[Rippon]

If I ever make a run for president, I will push this plan.

You didn't include a :laugh:. If you do run I would suggest that you get rid of your nickname :laugh:.

 

[Palatka51]

I would favor a national sales tax over an income tax.

They are not talking about doing away with the 16th amendment. The value added tax will be in addition to a levied income tax. They would have to call for a constitutional convention before removing the 16th amendment and I have as yet to hear anyone suggesting that to be done.

 

[Palatka51]

You can't get blood from a turnip. . .

Oh, They will try.

From the article.

But critics of the VAT say it would almost certainly not be implemented as a replacement for the income tax system -- rather, it would be just another tax, on top of the income tax, the state sales tax and everything else.

"This isn't a tax reform proposal that the White House is talking about. This is a new source of income for the government," said Max Pappas, public policy vice president at FreedomWorks. "The government needs big taxes and we've got big government, so now they're trying to decide how to pay for it."

It's unclear how far along the idea is on Capitol Hill.

 

[just-want-peace]

Oh, They will try.

II Chronicles 10

This should be our response, but it's truly doubtful that more than few would so respond!

After all the pOTUS does have his blinded faithful.

 

[Palatka51]

What this would amount to is double taxation. Something the Constitution forbids but then, when has this Administration had any respect for our Constitution?

 

[carpro]

You can't get blood from a turnip. . .

That is precisely the purpose of a national sales tax.

 

[StefanM]

What this would amount to is double taxation. Something the Constitution forbids but then, when has this Administration had any respect for our Constitution?

How do you figure?

 

[Palatka51]

How do you figure?

Which point are you questioning.

Double taxation? After we have been taxed for our labor we will then be taxed again with our monies left over for spending.

 

[targus]

What this would amount to is double taxation. Something the Constitution forbids but then, when has this Administration had any respect for our Constitution?

It happens every day.

A corporation makes a profit and pays taxes on it.

The after tax profits are distributed as dividends.

The dividends are taxed at the individual level on our personal tax returns.

The after tax dividends are spent and we pay sales tax.

You would think that all that taxing would be enough.

But with all the deficit spending it must not be.

 

[BigBossman]

You didn't include a :laugh:. If you do run I would suggest that you get rid of your nickname :laugh:.

I'm sorry:laugh::laugh:. If (big IF) I ran for president, people wouldn't know me by my screen name. They would only know me as Adam Wafer.

I used the screen name Big Bossman, because of this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Traylor

The Big Bossman was by far one of my favorite professional wrestlers.

I also have to agree with Palatka that the plan they are proposing would result in double taxation. Its bad enough that we pay income tax. By the time we finish paying the national sales tax combined with income tax we'd have next to nothing.

 

[targus]

Its bad enough that we pay income tax. By the time we finish paying the national sales tax combined with income tax we'd have next to nothing.

Don't forget:

State income taxes
State sales taxes
Excise taxes
Gasoline taxes
Inheritance taxes
Alternative minimum taxes
Gift taxes
Real estate property taxes
Personal property taxes
Social security taxes
Medicare taxes
Vehicle transfer taxes

There are probably more but I think that I'll stop now because I'm becoming depressed and I have an uncomfortable feeling in my stomach and my head is starting to hurt.

 

[BigBossman]

Don't forget:
There are probably more but I think that I'll stop now because I'm becoming depressed and I have an uncomfortable feeling in my stomach and my head is starting to hurt.

I can't remember whether it passed or not or if its even true, but wasn't there a death tax? I don't know how you'd get a dead man to pay taxes. Unless, you tax what he left behind.

 

[targus]

I can't remember whether it passed or not or if its even true, but wasn't there a death tax? I don't know how you'd get a dead man to pay taxes. Unless, you tax what he left behind.

That would be the estate tax.

Bush cut the estate tax from 55 percent to 45 percent for 2009 and it was set to be eliminated in 2010.

Obama's budget keeps the estate tax at its 2009 level, which means the government gets 45 percent of a dead person's estate valued over $3.5 million dollars or $7 million for a married couple.

 

[rbell]

They are not talking about doing away with the 16th amendment. The value added tax will be in addition to a levied income tax. They would have to call for a constitutional convention before removing the 16th amendment and I have as yet to hear anyone suggesting that to be done.

This is the key. If we replace our other taxes with this (e.g., the FairTax premise), I just might be on board. If it's an additional, we're getting into 1776 mode (IOW, taxes will be oppressive enough to destroy us, and we will be faced with some very difficult options).

It happens every day. A corporation makes a profit and pays taxes on it. The after tax profits are distributed as dividends. The dividends are taxed at the individual level on our personal tax returns. The after tax dividends are spent and we pay sales tax. You would think that all that taxing would be enough. But with all the deficit spending it must not be.

Right. And don't forget how our government loves to punish responsibility, for taxing you on money you save...there's nothing like earning it, paying taxes on it, saving/investing it, and paying taxes on it, again...all under the guise of "we have to take care of the "less fortunate."

That would be the estate tax. Bush cut the estate tax from 55 percent to 45 percent for 2009 and it was set to be eliminated in 2010.

Obama's budget keeps the estate tax at its 2009 level, which means the government gets 45 percent of a dead person's estate valued over $3.5 million dollars or $7 million for a married couple.

The estate tax is IMO far and away one of the most unjust taxes there is..It punishes acheivement, (again); it trumps the wishes of the earner--someone who works their whole life in order to provide an inheritance; it is immoral in its confiscatory rate of theft, er, taxation; it amounts to a repeat tax...often, this is the third, or fourth, time this money has been taxed. Finally...it can seriously hurt people who do not inherit liquid assets, but rather inherit land, etc.

Obama's socialistic (and sometimes fascist) tendencies virtually assure that if the national sales tax is considered, it will be in adiition to the others, instead of replacing it. I cannot fathom how destructive that course of action will be.

As has been said before, the ultimate would be a Constitutional amendment. But I see no way that Congress would let that process happen...not to mention--since 37 states must ratify it...only a handful of states that are addicted to confiscating our money could shut it down.

And I fullly expect they will.