Nazarites and Israelites: liars, deceived, or just ordinary religious people?

[Amy.G]

Your 'rules', claims and other nonsensical and absurd arguments are worthless.

Does our Law judge a man before hearing him? (John 7:51)​

Well, if you choose to keep your testimony to yourself and refuse to share it, how can I hear you? All I hear so far is "I don't have to answer your questions".

Its not me that has avoided speaking, but you who are unwilling to accept my testimony.

So far your only testimony is that Jesus is a really good person.

"I spoke openly to the world. I taught on the internet, and in the street, and coffeeshops, wherever Jews and non-Jews gathered. In secret I have said nothing of any importance or value.
Why do you persist in interrogating me? Ask those who have heard me speak and read what I have written.
Behold: They know what I have said." (cf. John 18:20-21)

Are you now equating yourself with Christ by putting yourself in His place?​

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Notice the pattern??

I spoke...
I taught...
I have...

A whole lot of pride coming from the one who demands humility from others.

 

[Amy.G]

I think I have heard enough of Nazaroo's "testimony".

See ya'll later.

 

[Nazaroo]

You sir, have not the humility you think you have. Your posts toward me and others have been obnoxious and un-Christlike... to say the least.

Supposing for argument's sake that I was Satan himself, come to malign you (as if I had the time).

What is that to you?
Follow thou Christ."

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(John 21:23, 19)

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[standingfirminChrist]

Supposing for argument's sake that I was Satan himself, come to malign you (as if I had the time).

What is that to you?
Follow thou Christ."

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(John 21:23, 19)

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I am following Christ... which is why I am questioning your posts and your claims.

 

[Nazaroo]

So far your only testimony is that Jesus is a really good person.

Lets check your false statement:

Post number #17 of this very thread (by Nazaroo):
...




Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. He is not just 'a son of God', as in some special title granted an ordinary man.

Jesus' origin is different than the origins of ordinary men.

Jesus is 'from above', He comes from heaven.

Men are 'from below'; they are made out of the dust of the ground.

Jesus is immortal: He cannot be killed or destroyed.


...

Jesus is the Agent of Creation. By Jesus all things were created, and by His permission all things come to pass.

Jesus was alive and witnessing the creation of the universe long before there ever was a man born. He saw the making of the heavens, the birth of the stars.

Jesus is the manifestation of the true glory of God the Father of all. Whatever we know about God that is reliable and true is found in the actions and teachings of Jesus.

Jesus is the ultimate Judge. All judgment has passed into His hands from the Father of all.

Jesus is the Embassador for God Himself. God does not give the Spirit by measure,
and when Jesus speaks, GOD speaks, and we should heed Him.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I somehow only asserted that Jesus was a nice guy.

What was I thinking? Why didn't I give appropriate glory to Jesus?

[/sarcasm]

 

[Nazaroo]

I am following Christ...

"the time has come, when whoever kills you
will think he does God a service." (John 16:2)
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Your claims are meaningless. Its the fruits of your works that will testify about you.

"A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit;
neither can a bad tree bring forth good fruit." (Matt. 7:18)
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[standingfirminChrist]

Your claims are meaningless. Its the fruits of your works that will testify about you.
"A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit;
neither can a bad tree bring forth good fruit." (Matt. 7:18)

You must be admitting you are not good. You sure spewed out evil accusing me of being of satan.

 

[DHK]

Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God.

He is not just 'a son of God', as in some special title granted an ordinary man.

The question is: Is Jesus God? The J.W.'s will admit that He is the son of God, but will not admit that He is deity and has existed from all eternity without beginning. Is He the one and only true God? Is He the Jehovah of the OT?

Jesus' origin is different than the origins of ordinary men.

This is blasphemy. Jesus never had an origin. He always existed. He is God. He is from everlasting to everlasting.

Jesus is 'from above', He comes from heaven.

Not only does He come from Heaven, He is from all eternity past. He was before the foundations of the earth, and had no beginning. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

Men are 'from below'; they are made out of the dust of the ground.

Jesus is immortal: He cannot be killed or destroyed.

True

Jesus is the Agent of Creation. By Jesus all things were created, and by His permission all things come to pass.

He is not only the agent of creation. He is the Creator.

Jesus was alive and witnessing the creation of the universe long before there ever was a man born. He saw the making of the heavens, the birth of the stars.

He just didn't see them. He created them. He is the Creator. He spoke them into existence by the Word of His power.

Jesus is the manifestation of the true glory of God the Father of all. Whatever we know about God that is reliable and true is found in the actions and teachings of Jesus.

This is an ambiguous statement that need clarification. It is exactly what the Oneness Pentecostals say who are definitely a cult. They believe that Christ is a manifestation of God the Father. That means that Christ takes the place of God the Father; that Christ is the God the Father. It leads to a denial of the trinity. I am not saying you believe that. I am only saying that your statement needs clarification. Do you believe the trinity or not?

Jesus is the ultimate Judge. All judgment has passed into His hands from the Father of all.

True.

Jesus is the Embassador for God Himself. God does not give the Spirit by measure, and when Jesus speaks, GOD speaks, and we should heed Him.

True

Yeah, I guess you're right. I somehow only asserted that Jesus was a nice guy.

What was I thinking? Why didn't I give appropriate glory to Jesus?

By some of the things that you have said above it would be easy for some people to conclude that.

 

[annsni]

I can see that Navaroo has been a member of the board since October. There has been no introduction post, no "Hi! I'm new - let me tell you something about myself." post. No getting involved in threads that already existed for a while but he came with a purpose. To teach. His very first post here was his own 17 posts about John - one after the other. He then knocked down anyone who has asked him honest questions or tried to dialogue with him. He's continued to promote his own site to find out what he believes in and he's avoiding questions time and time again. We still don't know if he believes that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God because in what he posted about who Jesus is, he posted even what cults believe.

In addition, in the last 50 hours of his posting (the only time he's posted - he started posting just 2 days ago), he has insulted many long term members who are solid Bible believing Christians. He has not dialogued but argued.

I smell a troll.

 

[DHK]

There are some 50,000 KKK and Neo-Nazi "Christians" in North America, walking among us. Some are honest enough to speak their positions openly. Others reveal their true nature by accident.
Nazaroo

Tell me your source for these statistics. I would like to know how you can see into the hearts of 50,000 people (if indeed that is accurate) and know that they are Christians. Do you claim to be in the position of God?

 

[Jarthur001]

Nazaroo,

Your mommy called. She is coming home in one hour, and boy she is mad at you.

Go clean your room and take the trash out before she gets home.

 

[DHK]

Amen!

I'm not going either.

I refuse to be manipulated by this obvious heretic/Judaizing/charlatan.

He's probably making millions of dollars using a totally free-access website with no advertizing whatsoever.

The CIA are obviously fronting the entire operation. He's a murderer and a thief.


In fact, lets take over the thread and discuss anything but the question of Nazarite vows and the Torah.

That is such a boring topic.

[/SARCASM]

You are obviously a troll that doesn't wish to engage in intellectual debate on any level. You waste people's time by refusing to answer legitimate questions about yourself and your doctrine. One cannot tell where you are coming from unless they have a base to work from. But instead of being polite enough to answer a few simple questions you answer rudely, beat around the bush and avoid others' questions. That is not serious debate. If you didn't come here to engage in any serious debate what is your agenda? If it is to propagate your material, your website, your twisted theology, then seriously you ought to go somewhere else. No need to stir up a hornets nest here.

Your attack on the BB is unwarranted and unnecessary.

 

[EdSutton]

I can see that Navaroo has been a member of the board since October. There has been no introduction post, no "Hi! I'm new - let me tell you something about myself." post. No getting involved in threads that already existed for a while but he came with a purpose. To teach. His very first post here was his own 17 posts about John - one after the other. He then knocked down anyone who has asked him honest questions or tried to dialogue with him. He's continued to promote his own site to find out what he believes in and he's avoiding questions time and time again. We still don't know if he believes that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God because in what he posted about who Jesus is, he posted even what cults believe.

In addition, in the last 50 hours of his posting (the only time he's posted - he started posting just 2 days ago), he has insulted many long term members who are solid Bible believing Christians. He has not dialogued but argued.

I smell a troll.

Did someone say

??

Or did they really mean

??

Regardless,

Ed

 

[webdog]

I smell a troll.

...and a 10 day all expense paid vacation by the BB...

 

[Nazaroo]

Like a Spider spinning and spinning, you have created an extensive web of falsehoods.

Lets see how you have gradually, quietly, but determinedly spun a false story out of nothing.

Here is my original post concerning Nazis:

Post #5 by Nazaroo:



Quotation from standingfirminChrist:

" Since the laws of Moses declare the burnt offerings and the sin offerings were to be a part of that vow, and Scripture clearly tells us that burnt offerings have been done away with, one cannot be a Nazarite no matter how much one claims to be. "


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Nazaroo:

You could apply exactly the same reasoning to the Jews.

Since the laws of Moses declare the burnt offerings and the sin offerings were to be a part of Torah, and the Scripture clearly tells us that they have been done away with, one cannot be a Jew or an Israelite no matter how much one claims to be.

Obviously this argument is completely absurd, and no modern Jew or Israelite would accept it, even though in fact various modern Neo-Nazi groups actually say things exactly like this.

[ Personal attack removed ] <-- misleading comment inserted by moderator.

The post has been edited at this point, removing the simple question, which was directed to standingfirminChrist:

I merely asked,

"Are you a member of one of those groups?"

There was no personal attack on anyone. I perceived that standingfirminChrist held beliefs common to various neo-nazi and fringe groups, and asked him point-blank if he was involved with any of them.

The proof of the benign nature of the edit, and what I really wrote is still preserved in another poster's quotation:

message #10 <-- Click here for proof.

In case that post is edited or deleted, here it is in full:

Originally Posted by Nazaroo


Obviously this argument is completely absurd, and no modern Jew or Israelite would accept it, even though in fact various modern Neo-Nazi groups actually say things exactly like this.

Are you a member of one of those groups?

Peace,
Nazaroo


rbell: This accusation is below the belt and shows no class.

Whatever the opinion of rbell or the moderator is, I have been already been falsely framed by the inappropriate label inserted by the moderator here.

If the question need to be deleted, all that was required was something like:

"[inappropriate question deleted]"

____________________________________________

Subsequent readers will wrongly assume that there was some kind of personal attack upon standingfirminChrist, which is untrue.


Now when we turn to the subsequent posts of standingfirminChrist, we find him attempting to change the story, and group-memory of the event even further:

In Post #12, standingfirminChrist said:

He has attacked me many times in the past. I am used to it.

Sad that he has to result to such because people try to show him the truth.

in fact, I have never conversed with standingfirminChrist ever before, except in one other thread (my own, started yesterday) on John 8:1-11.

So he has begun to paint a false picture of a history that never existed about me, and his alleged interaction with me, in which he alleges, I attacked him "many times".

Where is the documentation? Where is the evidence?

Why haven't the moderators with imparitality and fairness also edited standingfirminChrist's posts, and removed these wholly gratuitous and unsubstantiated attacks on MY person?

Because there IS apparently partiality here.

In Post #25, standingfirminChrist again accuses me of attacking other posters and tries to build an imaginary history of crime on my part:

calling us lazy is just another of his uncalled for personal attacks.

Note that he doesn't contribute in any any postive or constructive way to the thread or discussion. He is posting merely to continue a personal attack on me. He has lost interest in the thread topic, and is offering nothing helpful to the thread.


Emboldened because the moderators are NOT standing up to him, he continues and even amplifies his false history, turning it into an outright lie about me, in post #40:

Since you accused me of being in a Neo-Nazi group, and now are saying Nazi are of satan, I can openly rebuke you for your vicious lies concerning my character.

I have never accused him or anyone of being in a Neo-Nazi group.

So his logical fallacy is just that. He cannot now openly rebuke me for a crime he has in fact made up about me.

Note also now that he has accused me of "vicious lies concerning [his] character".

Where are the vicious lies? What posts, what quotations is he referring to?

Nothing on this forum.

In fact, standingfirminChrist has himself engaged in a 'vicious lie' about me, as I have fully documented here.

The readers and the moderators may judge for themselves who is being honest and accurate about the events here, and who is exaggerating and inventing falsehoods.

Peace,
Nazaroo



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[standingfirminChrist]

Nazaroo, your attack on me was removed by a moderator. That means you were not supposed to post that attack again.

You are breaking BB rules with your rude attacks.

 

[Nazaroo]

Did someone say

??

Or did they really mean

??

Regardless,

Ed

Instead of engaging in "groupthink", which is how lynchmobs operate, try investigating for yourself what has actually taken place here.

Peace,
Nazaroo

 

[EdSutton]

[Whole bunch of stuff snipped, for it is not relevant, for my purposes, in this post!]

The readers and the moderators may judge for themselves who is being honest and accurate about the events here, and who is exaggerating and inventing falsehoods.

Peace,
Nazaroo

Nazaroo, I'm pretty sure that is already in action, from what I am seeing, for right or wrong; or good, bad, or indifferent. My personal opinion is that you are not long destined for the BB at current practice, and levels of heat.

So I shall merely say :wavey:, while you are still around to read it. I hope I am wrong, in my early assessment, since you never seem to be, in your own mind.

(Apparently you see it as too bad that most of the rest of the 8000 plus BB members are wrong!)

Ed

 

[DHK]

I merely asked,

"Are you a member of one of those groups?"

There was no personal attack on anyone.

That is a personal attack.
You inferred that he is a member of one of the afore-mentioned groups (Neo-Nazis) that you posted? That was the context. Your inference is very clear. There is no question about it. It is an obvious personal attack. There is no reason to back away from it now, and try to justify it.