Near Death Experiences and the white light ?

[Palatka51]

Let me explain further, In case after case and account after account everytime a victim of dehydration in an arid dessert those that survived told the tale of how they thought they saw water on the dry sands. Those that died had ingested sand as if they were taking a drink of water. The brain and body does and sees things that correspond to the conditions that it is subjected to.

 

[Crabtownboy]

My father is a man of God and always raised me in the Church. He had an experience a few years back when he was having heart surgery. He really hasnt told many people about it, because many would just judge and critizize. Well, during that surgery his heart did stop beating for a few minutes and when they were about to declare him dead it started beating again. His pulse was below 20 before his heart stopped beating.

Well, anyways when he woke up. He really didnt know all those details but he said that during the operation he literally saw himself like floating away from the body and going up above the walls to heaven. He told me that he saw the doctors working on him and all of a sudden he dropped down back to his body and thats all he remember. He didnt hear anyone or see anyone but thats what he told me.

What do you guys think?? Pretty weird huh?? However I mean, if God raised Lazarus from the death.

Your father's story is consistant with others I have heard and read. I read of a blind man whose heart stopped and he saw himself being worked on by the doctors. They gave up and he was taken to the morgue. As they were about to leave one of the attendants saw him move. The attendent yelled for help. The man revivedand was blind as before. Several days later the two attendents who had rolled him to the morgue stopped by his room to visit. He thanked them. When they got ready to leave the man said, "Oh by the way, the pen you dropped and couldn't find rolled under a shelf."

The young men looked and found the pen.

 

[Crabtownboy]

These modern stories are hogwash and nowhere line up with Scripture.

I find it interesting there are people who are so sure they are correct that they limit what God can do and what God cannot do. In 1968 J.B. Phillips wrote a small and very good book entitled, "Your God Is Too Small." Would do well for many to read it.

E. Barrett Browning put it very well also:

"Earth's crammed with heaven, And every common bush afire with God. Only those who see take off their shoes, the rest sit round and pick blackberries.":godisgood:

 

[Crabtownboy]

[Linda64]

Whatever type of experience one has, be it a near death experience, visions or dreams, etc., if that experience does not line up with Scripture, then that experience is NOT from God...and there is only one other place where this could come from.

But whose interpretation of scripture?

 

[donnA]

I believe it is a lie of satan.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I believe it is a lie of satan.

Why would God allow Satan to lie in that way? Is God helpless at our death?

 

[rbell]

I think that the anesthesia used and oxygen deprivation to the brain can explain much of what these experiences are. Tunnel with a light at the end speaks of a brain in shutdown mode. At the very last switch the patient is revived and the lights begin turning on. There is bound to be a common experience to this traumatic event.

this is a plausible explanation.


Keep in mind.....youth ministers, upon death, see a black light.

 

[Linda64]

[Linda64]


But whose interpretation of scripture?

Every believer has the Holy Spirit indwelling them...Jesus said that He would send the Comforter (Holy Spirit):

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

In 1 John 2:

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Every believer is told to discern...through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, the believer is able to interpret the Scripture. Most of the time, however, man interprets Scripture by his own power because it "sounds good" and "feels good". He desperately wants his "experience" to "fit" the Scriptures, but as long as he tries to interpret Scriptures in the flesh, he will fail every time.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[billwald]

You all going to be pleased or sad when you all discover that lots of people you all thought were not saved join you all in Heaven?

 

[peterotto]

I thought Penn and Teller did an excellent job of exposing the near death experience. They had the best explaination that I have seen to date.

 

[BobRyan]

The thing that bothers me is that christians, non-christians, atheists, agnostics, humanists, etc etc etc all have the same experience.

That would tend to incline me to believe it is a satanic deception...with the strategy being to get people to buy into the old "all roads lead to God" lie.

Mike

"The Living know that they will die - the dead know not anything" Eccl 9.

"regarding those who have fallen asleep...The Dead in Christ will rise first -- then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the air to meet our Lord and so (in this way) we shall ever be With the Lord". 1Thess 4.

The reason that atheists, agnostics, Hindus and Christians are all open to this - is that all of them are going through the "brain shutdown process" and all of them are susceptible to the influences of "this world" in doing that.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Let me explain further, In case after case and account after account everytime a victim of dehydration in an arid dessert those that survived told the tale of how they thought they saw water on the dry sands. Those that died had ingested sand as if they were taking a drink of water. The brain and body does and sees things that correspond to the conditions that it is subjected to.

But this is not the situation in all cases.

Even anesthesia and surgery events have out-of-body and white-light experiences reported.

Also we have people reporting vivid descriptions of conversations in heaven vs events in hell.

Some of this stuff is "artifically being manufactured" according to the rules of 2Cor 4:4.

 

[Palatka51]

I thought Penn and Teller did an excellent job of exposing the near death experience. They had the best explaination that I have seen to date.

And I thought it was Sigfried and Roy.

:laugh:

 

[TaterTot]

My cousin was in a terrible car accident and she "died". When she awakened, her whole head was wrapped and only the mouth was exposed. She told us that she had been to heaven, and she saw our granny and grandfather (whome we had never met, but my dad said she described him perfectly. The Lord told her he wasnt done with her yet so He sent her back.

I think its a crock. She was not a Christian, and our grandparents that she saw with the Lord were devout Mormon. Granny had on the wedding gown she was buried in. I think somehow her mind did that.


At my dad's funeral, the child of another one of my cousins said (upon seeing my Dad for the first time in his life, and in the casket) "Oh, I know him from the prelife."

The mind is an interesting critter.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You all going to be pleased or sad when you all discover that lots of people you all thought were not saved join you all in Heaven?

Bill, yep, you are right. You know there are a number of big brick windowless buildings in heaven. Each building is for a different group that is sure they will be and are the only ones there. I guess they are sound proof also.

I just want a little mountain cabin beside a nice babbling trout stream.:laugh:

 

[Palatka51]

My cousin was in a terrible car accident and she "died". When she awakened, her whole head was wrapped and only the mouth was exposed. She told us that she had been to heaven, and she saw our granny and grandfather (whome we had never met, but my dad said she described him perfectly. The Lord told her he wasnt done with her yet so He sent her back.

I think its a crock. She was not a Christian, and our grandparents that she saw with the Lord were devout Mormon. Granny had on the wedding gown she was buried in. I think somehow her mind did that.


At my dad's funeral, the child of another one of my cousins said (upon seeing my Dad for the first time in his life, and in the casket) "Oh, I know him from the prelife."

The mind is an interesting critter.

As most know, I am out of work sense October of '07 for foot surgery. I had my left foot done first. It was the very first time in my 51 years that I have been under anesthesia and was some what apprehensive. It took 3.5 hours for the Dr to work on my foot. Before I was put under I said a barely audible prayer for the Dr and then began to sing "Amazing Grace". The Dr said that I sang the whole time that I was under. I do not remember getting past the first stanza. :laugh: I asked her if I sang out of key and she said that I did pretty good.

Well the next thing I recall I was awash in all white. Just above me to my right and just inside of my peripheral vision was a face. I could not see any facial features but the figure had long curly red hair. My mother had long coppery hair in her youth. However my mother is still alive. Plus I cannot say that the figure was female. I was overcome, seemingly, with joy and I new that I was crying yet I was smiling.

I turned my head to look at the figure as this was the only feature that I could grasp with my sight. There was no form to anything. All was awash in white, much like a white out in a blizzard. Even my own self had no visible form. However, as soon as the thought to look at the figure was formed, the recovery room snapped into view. I was looking at the curtain dividing the beds to my right. I was in tears and my pillow was wet with them. I was saying something, "He wants me to tell you that He loves you." I looked to my left and a nurse was attending my IV. I was still crying and felt joy and great peace. I told the nurse that Jesus my Savior wants me to tell you that He loves you and died for you. She did not pay any mind to what I was saying and I repeated that three more times. I was beginning to think that I was talking to a JW and she was holding a needle.

She finally asked me if I were a preacher and I said "Yes, Baptist." Well she pulled out a pendent and asked if I knew what this means. Showing part of it I recognized the Star of David and a menorah. "You're Jewish?" She nodded and revealed the rest of the pendant as I was about to go into shock for having witnessed to my first Jew. It was the Christian fish emblem. The pendant consisted of the star of David, menorah and the fish. "Wow, you are Messianic", she nodded again. We had a pleasant conversation as she helped me get ready to go.

I honestly think that with my apprehension, the anesthesia, the prayer, and the singing, God put into my mind a peaceful presence that I got a glimpse of as I came out of surgery.

The mind is a curious organ indeed.

 

[BobRyan]

Not all events are confined to "mental mechanics during shut down" somethings are supernatural.

Some are "good" and some only "appear Good" -- like this one --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSy21xhThJw&feature=related

 

[Palatka51]

Not all events are confined to "mental mechanics during shut down" somethings are supernatural.

Some are "good" and some only "appear Good" -- like this one --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSy21xhThJw&feature=related

I honestly think that the tunnel light thing is "mental mechanics during shut down."
Personally, I think that Steven's account at his stoning is what a believer will experience.

 

[webdog]

Yer friend is pulling the wool over yer eyes with that story.

She's gonna talk with the Lord with her back to Him? Didn't have to turn around to know it was Him?

Right.

How did Saul (Paul) know?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I honestly think that the tunnel light thing is "mental mechanics during shut down."
Personally, I think that Steven's account at his stoning is what a believer will experience.

I agree, Bro.

Stephen saw Jesus. Jesus is light. I do not believe the Child of God when dying will see any dark whatsoever. No dark tunnel before the light.