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Agent47

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Anyone who subscribes to 911 conspiracy theories probably believes moon landing was faked, is an avid consumer of David Icke and Alex Jones, believes mass shootings are 'false flags', believes in chemtrails, NWO,Illuminati, aliens in government,are antivaccers, believe Bill Gates is curtain raising for Antichrist...

And almost all of them started down the rabbit hole after watching something on YouTube. I was there. I watched Loose Change and I bought into it.

There is no more comprehensive debunking of 911 theories than metabunk.org
 

Agent47

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I forgot to add that this plane was recorded by several witnesses as having impacted the Pentagon over five minutes before the official scenario crash happened. Flight 77 would have still been miles away.

There is lots of interesting details in that pdf I shared. You might want to do a search for FDR (Flight Data Recorder, not the other FDR) in that document. Very interesting.

What's your strongest evidence for the highlighted?
 

asterisktom

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What's your strongest evidence for the highlighted?

For starters you could look at pages 116 to 148 in the pdf I linked just a few posts above. I need to go out for an hour or so. I will come back and answer in more detail later.
 

Squire Robertsson

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Tom, I'm a firm believer in Occam's Razor on matters concerning 9/11. So, my question to you is where are the passengers and planes said to be involved? In looking at the various nefarious matters the US government has been involved in over the years, none have stayed a deep dark secret for very long.
 

Agent47

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Tom, I'm a firm believer in Occam's Razor on matters concerning 9/11. So, my question to you is where are the passengers and planes said to be involved? In looking at the various nefarious matters the US government has been involved in over the years, none have stayed a deep dark secret for very long.

good point.

Many conspiracy theorists process information oblivious as to just how complex the world is. A conspiracy involving tens of dozens of men and women in diverse places is impossible to hide for anything longer than a second. There is the planning, execution, and afterwards phase during all of which the secret survived. Funny enough, the CTers claim to be the only ones privy to such info WITHOUT proof, or on the basis of the flimsiest circumstantial evidence.

Mick West, the founder of metabunk.org has an excellent book on conspiracy theories. He has an acute eye for detail I can only compare with Eagles hunting from hundreds of feet above. But the book is simplified. He has been debating 911 truthers and is extremely cordial on his forum. Almost every imaginable 911 claim is thoroughly debunked and given a thread of its own. Funny thing is CTers accuse him of being a government shill.

If you study his debates you will clearly see who is lost.0C492E1F-95F7-48DC-96BE-8CC10173C319.jpeg
 

Agent47

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For starters you could look at pages 116 to 148 in the pdf I linked just a few posts above. I need to go out for an hour or so. I will come back and answer in more detail later.

I could also throw in tens of pages of a pdf somewhere and we would end up trading PDFs and links,talking past each other while at it.

what I had in mind was the briefest summary of your evidence. I will ask for links later if need be.
 

asterisktom

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Tom, I'm a firm believer in Occam's Razor on matters concerning 9/11. So, my question to you is where are the passengers and planes said to be involved? In looking at the various nefarious matters the US government has been involved in over the years, none have stayed a deep dark secret for very long.

Fair enough question. I will be upfront and admit that there are obviously some missing pieces here. I am still trying to sort this all out. But I approach this like I do my theology. Having nailed down certain aspects I proceed further, but carefully and methodically. I do read a lot of sites - including lots of debunking sites.

On my particular points I raised, specifically those five, I have not really seen credible responses.

Concerning your last statement: Consider some other things our government has done that has been kept secret for years. The deliberate exposure of certain blacks to syphilis is one. Also the stationing of servicemen close to the Trinity Atomic blast to test the effects of radiation is another.

Both in my politics and in my theology I post to this board, not looking for an Amen Corner (but we all like those, myself included) but to be peer-reviewed. More than once I have had to modify my views from disagreeing, sometimes belligerent but helpful, comments here. I am not here to throw bombs (no pun intended) but to sharpen iron, mine and others.

I do not know how many passengers were involved. I believe there was some sort of shell game involved, involving real lives, of course.

I also believe that what happened to WTC 1 and 2 was something unprecedented in our history, some scientific breakthrough weapon that we, only partially successfully, are being kept in the dark about.

Occam's Razor is certainly helpful to keep in mind. But how helpful would that have been for a Japanese person on that day to understand the horrors of the Atomic Bomb?
 

asterisktom

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Anyone who subscribes to 911 conspiracy theories probably believes moon landing was faked, is an avid consumer of David Icke and Alex Jones, believes mass shootings are 'false flags', believes in chemtrails, NWO,Illuminati, aliens in government,are antivaccers, believe Bill Gates is curtain raising for Antichrist...

And almost all of them started down the rabbit hole after watching something on YouTube. I was there. I watched Loose Change and I bought into it.

There is no more comprehensive debunking of 911 theories than metabunk.org

I did not read this post earlier. On the basis of your first sentence it probably is not worthwhile to go too far in this particular conversation. If you truly do believe that "If I believe A then I also believe B, C, D... maybe even down to Y." then that tells me that you will not really be considering what I am writing. I get the feeling that your research is mainly "How can I prove these nuts wrong?" instead of "I wonder if this might be true?" I don't want to waste my time.

Anyone who uses that pat phrase "conspiracy theory" reveals at least two things about themselves. 1. They view all of these theories alike, as if it was a big incredible mass. 2. They also (in most cases) reveal that they spend a lot of time on debunking sites - without the commensurate research of other sites. (And sure enough, looking down right now, I happen to see that is exactly what you do). BTW, I hardly ever go to videos. I am usually in countries with slow connections. I prefer just reading and sifting evidence.

But - for your information - I don't believe in aliens in government. I don't believe the moon landing was faked. Or the Bill Gates Antichrist thing, etc.

I also don't believe, based on what you wrote, that you take me seriously. So I will not take you seriously either.
 
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