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New case to demand evidence of Hawaiian birth
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No one said you did.
KenH
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Even if someone knows for a lock cinch certainty that President Obama is not eligible to be president do you think that he would be removed from office?
Does anyone want to see the political and social turmoil that would ensue if President Obama was removed from office?
All of the time and money that some of President Obama's foes are spending on this birth certificate issue would be far better expended defeating increased government involvement in health care and in defeating climate change legislation.
Does anyone want to see the political and social turmoil that would ensue if President Obama was removed from office?
All of the time and money that some of President Obama's foes are spending on this birth certificate issue would be far better expended defeating increased government involvement in health care and in defeating climate change legislation.
Although I didn't vote for Obama and argue tirelessly that what he's doing is wrong for the US, I (personally) believe that this minor fact about 'long-form' v. 'short-form' means absolutely nothing. He was born to a citizen of the US who was 18, so he's considered a natural citizen. If the courts determine that she was 'too-young' to pass on those rights to BHO, then it's a different matter, wrong, but a different matter.
I think that he originally kept the records hidden and continues to do so more as a red-herring than anything else... $1M is CHEAP for all the press this is getting and in the end these people will get their way and the document will be revealed only to discover that it DOES show he's a naturalized citizen. Wow... think of the egg on our faces then! Yikes.
The other option is that he may have been born outside the country... but do you really think that his birth certificate will SHOW that after all this time? If he KNOWS he's not a natural born citizen then that proves he's a liar and he would make SURE that he had done something to cover his tracks. Specifically by having the document replaced. Now don't get me wrong... I'm not saying this is what happened by any means, but that if he really were NOT a citizen, that he surely would have had it covered up by now.
In the end, it's just going to be a black eye for the conservatives, so why not just leave it be? Mark my words... this million bucks BHO is investing in legal fees will pay dividends for him down the road in one way or another. Maybe not for him directly, but for the liberal agenda. Even now they're using the whole thing as a story to point to and say 'See! See how paranoid these right-wingers are!?' When the 'truth' (and I use that word very loosely) comes out, they'll be pointing and shouting even more.
Nope... I'm not hopping on this bandwagon. It's really a moot point as far as I'm concerned. What are Republicans hoping for? That it will show he was born in Korea and that we'll kick him out of office?! Oi! Who'll be president then!? Gah! Gasp! Joe 'stick-my-foot-in-my-mouth' Biden!
I think that he originally kept the records hidden and continues to do so more as a red-herring than anything else... $1M is CHEAP for all the press this is getting and in the end these people will get their way and the document will be revealed only to discover that it DOES show he's a naturalized citizen. Wow... think of the egg on our faces then! Yikes.
The other option is that he may have been born outside the country... but do you really think that his birth certificate will SHOW that after all this time? If he KNOWS he's not a natural born citizen then that proves he's a liar and he would make SURE that he had done something to cover his tracks. Specifically by having the document replaced. Now don't get me wrong... I'm not saying this is what happened by any means, but that if he really were NOT a citizen, that he surely would have had it covered up by now.
In the end, it's just going to be a black eye for the conservatives, so why not just leave it be? Mark my words... this million bucks BHO is investing in legal fees will pay dividends for him down the road in one way or another. Maybe not for him directly, but for the liberal agenda. Even now they're using the whole thing as a story to point to and say 'See! See how paranoid these right-wingers are!?' When the 'truth' (and I use that word very loosely) comes out, they'll be pointing and shouting even more.
Nope... I'm not hopping on this bandwagon. It's really a moot point as far as I'm concerned. What are Republicans hoping for? That it will show he was born in Korea and that we'll kick him out of office?! Oi! Who'll be president then!? Gah! Gasp! Joe 'stick-my-foot-in-my-mouth' Biden!
Preach it, Brother! :love2:
If it could be shown that he was ineligible, it would have been shown long ago so as not to allow him to run in the first place, and it wasn't.
AMEN !!!!!! I find this birfer stuff an annoyance.
"There's no such thing as a "long form". That's a standard certified copy of a birth certificate."
Humm I guess the state of Hawaii goofed when they issued one to me for my daughter that lists parents, hostital, doctor etc. Guess I'll just burn that phoney thing. :thumbsup:
Me thinks you is waay wrong on that one.
Humm I guess the state of Hawaii goofed when they issued one to me for my daughter that lists parents, hostital, doctor etc. Guess I'll just burn that phoney thing. :thumbsup:
Me thinks you is waay wrong on that one.
Then youthinks wrong, because, according to Hawaiian State Department of Health spokesperson Janice Okubo Hawaii only issues certifications of live births. The certification of live birth is the official birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii. You can't obtain what used to be known as a "certificate of live birth" anymore. So, maybe you got one when your kids were born, but they no longer exist. You can't get them anymore.
The burden of proof should be on the person who would be president. No one else has access to his birth records.
It's a simple matter, unless one wants to spend a million dollars to keep something secret.
The burden of proof has been adequately met. That said, even if someone comes out with a home movie of his birth with Diamondhead in the background and a calendar on the wall, and baby Barak whipping out his ID right after passing through the birth canal, that still wouldn't be adequate proof for some.
Not so.
On a real birth certificate a physician will attest to the birth.
My own copy of my original is not only signed by the doctor, it is handwritten. (a sign of advanced age):thumbs:
In Hawaii, it was possible to get a birth certificate by any adult attesting to the birth. The original certificate will have that information.
There is also written and oral evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. Why should we ignore that and accept a document that proves nothing?
They exist in state records they just don't issue them at this time.
See my previous post. Philip Berg filed an injunction in court to prevent Obama from receiving the democratic nomination, claiming that Obama was born in Kenya. Berg's case was dismissed for gross lack of merit.
A certified copy means nothing? I dont' know what to tell my kids, since their birth certificates mean nothing.
Obama can get any and all records they have.
No one else can.
A million dollars is a lot of money to most people, especially to keep from doing what he ought to do without being asked.
Then you should complain about money those folks waste spending it on stupid lawsuits that end up getting tossed anyway.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: You write good comedy. His birth status has been adequately evidenced. If you think a certified copy of live birth issued by Hawaiian State Department of Health means nothing, then feel free to read his two birth announcements that were in the paper shortly after his birth. If that's not adequate, then I suggest you travel back in time and witness his birth for yourself.
For a 1960 Hawaiian birth certificate. Absolutely. It is not a copy of the original.
You can stay in lala land if you wish. This is not going away.
I wonder how much he will spend to keep his records secret. It would be so easy to end the whole thing. While he stalls and pays lawyers , it just festers and grows.
You don't spend a million dollars on something that has already been proven.
You guys should really stop. Your lack of intelligence on the topic just becomes more self evident with every post. Not to mention your reliance on fantasy.
If you guys wanna sail this ship, feel free. But yoru posts just start sounding more and more ridiculous with each passing post.
Meanwhile, I suggest opposing Obama on legitimate issues which warrant opposition. This certainly isn't one of them.
If you guys wanna sail this ship, feel free. But yoru posts just start sounding more and more ridiculous with each passing post.
Meanwhile, I suggest opposing Obama on legitimate issues which warrant opposition. This certainly isn't one of them.
Why can Obama get information that no one else can get?