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ccrobinson

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I would summarize this story as a horrible story that looks great.

Totally agree and I hate those kind of stories. Give me a good story over eye candy any day.


the worst story from the reboot era has got to be Fear Her.

Agreed. I was actually trying to think of Fear Her, but I couldn't come up with it and didn't want to take 30 seconds to look it up. If you go back in this thread a few years, you'll see posts where I talked about the utterly horrible cringe-worthy lines spoken during the truly awful Olympic torch scenes.
 

InTheLight

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Agreed. I was actually trying to think of Fear Her, but I couldn't come up with it and didn't want to take 30 seconds to look it up. If you go back in this thread a few years, you'll see posts where I talked about the utterly horrible cringe-worthy lines spoken during the truly awful Olympic torch scenes.

Actually, the scene stinks on its own without any 'help' from the dialogue. Just the visual image of the Doctor carrying the torch is cringe inducing. Dialogue is like the twist of the knife that finishes it off.
 

ccrobinson

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I've rewatched the Rings of Akhaten and I've changed my mind about it. Not the best, but definitely better than Daleks in Manhattan and Fear Her.


The monster at the heart of the sun was never explained.

Actually, it was. The monster is a vampire.


how is it that dozens of diverse alien species share the same religion? And it involves a living sacrifice on a recurrent basis?

Big universe.


I also got sucked into watching bits of Asylum of the Daleks tonight. It is so good. Amy and Rory are fantastic. Amy said her marriage was something the Doctor couldn't fix, and technically, he couldn't, but he put them in position where they could fix it.

Off to watch Cold War again.

Incidentally, I laughed at this from Bells of St. Johns.

When the boy was reading "Summer Falls" by Amelia Williams, Clara asks him, "What chapter are you on?" He replies, "10." She says, "11 is the best. You'll cry your eyes out."


My son is watching Turn Left/The Stolen Earth/Journey's End tonight and I'm reminded of awful TSE/JE are. Reducing the 10th Doctor to being utterly helpless, shouting at Davros, is unforgiveable.
 

Matt Black

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TROA was more than a nodding homage to George Lucas' Mos Eisley Spaceport whereas Cold War owes quite a bit to the Alien franchise. Preferred the latter though.
 

ccrobinson

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You mean like the analysis of Rings of Akhaten that included a question about the monster that was explained during the episode? Or that Vampires of Venice was criticized because they weren't actually vampires? :wavey:

I admit to not being enthusiastic about next week's episode. It looks like the TARDIS is about to be treated like garbage and that annoys me. However, everytime I think an episode is going to be bad, it turns out to be fantastic. For example, I didn't like the previews of episodes like Human Nature, Blink, The Doctor's Wife, and some others, in the week leading up to them.
 

InTheLight

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You mean like the analysis of Rings of Akhaten that included a question about the monster that was explained during the episode? Or that Vampires of Venice was criticized because they weren't actually vampires? :wavey:

No, I mean things like:

The professor appears to be in his mid-40's. The setting is 1974, so he was born around 1930. He was a veteran of a war, "espionage behind enemy lines". Ummm...which war would that be?

Who wrote the words "Help Me" on the stairway wall?

Why does the simple act of outlining a cold spot on the floor cause the portal to the pocket universe to appear?

What caused the monsters and the time-traveler to interact and cause their predicament?

Why did the Doctor and Clara appear at the manor, anyway?

How does the Doctor know the precise spot to appear at random times in Earth's past in order to snap a picture of the time-traveler?

Recording instruments, i.e. cameras, won't work unless there is an empath nearby. Inside the manor, that would be Emma. Who is the empath when the Doctor goes on his photography junket? The Tardis? The Doctor?

If the monster in the pocket universe is pining away for it's lost love in the manor why does it vocalize sinister human laughing sounds?

Since the doctor went millions of years into Earth's past and took a photo of the time-traveler, that means the monster in Earth's universe has been stranded there for.... millions of years?

The headband thingy with the blue crystal from Metebelis 3 is worn by Emma and is used to augment her psychic powers and hold the portal open. There is a power cord connected from the headband to inside the Tardis. So why does the headband work when the Tardis jumps into the pocket universe? (Heckuva long extension cord, isn't it?)

Local manifestation of the portal are below zero temperatures. Yet the Doctor is unharmed by clinging to the outside of the Tardis when crossing over between universes. Really?

Would the Doctor really put the Tardis at risk a second time in order to unite the two monsters? (BTW, this love conquers all theme is really getting trite.)

Was it really necessary to have the time-traveler be in the future family tree of the professor and Emma?

What does the title "Hide" have anything to do with the story?
 

InTheLight

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...until the last two minutes which got too 'happy ending-y' for me.

Yes, the love story themes are getting old. So is the magic wand, er, the sonic screwdriver.

Cold War was a much needed departure into a more trad story, which I enjoyed.
 
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Don

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Yes, the love story themes are getting old. So is the magic wand, er, the sonic screwdriver.

Cold War was a much needed departure into a more trad story, which I enjoyed.
Now, now. Let's not forget that, even from the beginning, the Doctor was never meant as "serious" sci-fi; more of a children's story.

And let's face it: He may be over 1,000 years old now, but he's still the rebellious child that stole a TARDIS and set out for adventure....

The only question I have is: How do we get from where we are to where Ms. Oswald becomes a Dalek on a planet full of mad Daleks? And for that, I'll continue to watch the journey.

What do y'all think? Will this be the last doctor, with a title for the 50th anniversary special that indicates we'll finally get his true name?

(in other words, has the series run out of steam again?)
 

InTheLight

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What do y'all think? Will this be the last doctor, with a title for the 50th anniversary special that indicates we'll finally get his true name?

(in other words, has the series run out of steam again?)

I don't think this will be the last Doctor. Has the series run out of steam again? I haven't checked the ratings but I presume they are still fairly strong. I know Doctor Who is the highest rated show on BBC America. If it is winding down the cure is usually a regeneration along with a new producer and writers.

I think the 44 minute format is too limiting. Just about every story in series 7 could have used another 5 minutes or so to fill out the plot. Certainly all those questions I listed about "Hide" could have been answered with another 5 minutes. I wish they would go to a 50 minute program length.
 

Don

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I don't think this will be the last Doctor. Has the series run out of steam again? I haven't checked the ratings but I presume they are still fairly strong. I know Doctor Who is the highest rated show on BBC America. If it is winding down the cure is usually a regeneration along with a new producer and writers.

I think the 44 minute format is too limiting. Just about every story in series 7 could have used another 5 minutes or so to fill out the plot. Certainly all those questions I listed about "Hide" could have been answered with another 5 minutes. I wish they would go to a 50 minute program length.
The timing of commercials is problematic as well. When I was in England back in the early 90's, I thought it pretty novel that they didn't show commercials during the program. Don't know if they still do it that way, but it would certainly help the flow of the show.
 

InTheLight

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The timing of commercials is problematic as well. When I was in England back in the early 90's, I thought it pretty novel that they didn't show commercials during the program. Don't know if they still do it that way, but it would certainly help the flow of the show.

Although I get BBC America via cable my "not we's" (kids) can't wait until 8:00, do I torrent the show, hence no commercials. I remember them being an annoyance when the show was on Sy-Fy network.
 

ccrobinson

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Matt Black said:
...until the last two minutes which got too 'happy ending-y' for me.

I was less than enthused about that also.


The professor appears to be in his mid-40's. The setting is 1974, so he was born around 1930. He was a veteran of a war, "espionage behind enemy lines". Ummm...which war would that be?

I agree with you on this one. I think it could be explained if the Professor was older than he appeared, but for one who has supposedly been through the rigors of war, he looks surprisingly young.


Who wrote the words "Help Me" on the stairway wall?

This is rather obvious, isn't it?


Why does the simple act of outlining a cold spot on the floor cause the portal to the pocket universe to appear?

The pocket universe is unstable. Where it was cold is where it was touching the real universe.


What caused the monsters and the time-traveler to interact and cause their predicament?

They got caught in the pocket universe.


Why did the Doctor and Clara appear at the manor, anyway?

Perhaps you should watch the show closer, because the Doctor explains this.


How does the Doctor know the precise spot to appear at random times in Earth's past in order to snap a picture of the time-traveler?

She's moving through time, not space, so she would be moving about in the general location of the manor.


Recording instruments, i.e. cameras, won't work unless there is an empath nearby. Inside the manor, that would be Emma. Who is the empath when the Doctor goes on his photography junket? The Tardis? The Doctor?

Is it a stretch to say it could be either? Both?


If the monster in the pocket universe is pining away for it's lost love in the manor why does it vocalize sinister human laughing sounds?

Because that's what the monster sounds like.



Since the doctor went millions of years into Earth's past and took a photo of the time-traveler, that means the monster in Earth's universe has been stranded there for.... millions of years?

Has the woman been stranded there for millions of years? No. The monster has probably been stranded as long as she has.


The headband thingy with the blue crystal from Metebelis 3 is worn by Emma and is used to augment her psychic powers and hold the portal open. There is a power cord connected from the headband to inside the Tardis. So why does the headband work when the Tardis jumps into the pocket universe? (Heckuva long extension cord, isn't it?)

Good question. We can perhaps explain away the first one by saying we don't really know how old Professor Palmer is, but this one is a mistake.


Local manifestation of the portal are below zero temperatures. Yet the Doctor is unharmed by clinging to the outside of the Tardis when crossing over between universes. Really?

Time Lord. It is not a stretch in any way to think he could survive crossing universes.


Would the Doctor really put the Tardis at risk a second time in order to unite the two monsters? (BTW, this love conquers all theme is really getting trite.)

Yes, I think he would. And, he did.


Was it really necessary to have the time-traveler be in the future family tree of the professor and Emma?

Maybe, but I'm not understanding why this impacts your enjoyment of the show, if you actually do enjoy the show (I wonder about that).


What does the title "Hide" have anything to do with the story?

I don't know. I didn't write the story.


So is the magic wand, er, the sonic screwdriver.

:rolleyes:


Will this be the last doctor, with a title for the 50th anniversary special that indicates we'll finally get his true name?

I'm not sure that knowing the Doctor's name is a good thing.


I think the 44 minute format is too limiting. Just about every story in series 7 could have used another 5 minutes or so to fill out the plot. Certainly all those questions I listed about "Hide" could have been answered with another 5 minutes. I wish they would go to a 50 minute program length.

While I agree that I'd like to see it run 50 minutes long, some of the questions you listed could have been answered by watching the show more closely in the first place. 5 extra minutes isn't going to fix that.


(in other words, has the series run out of steam again?)

The only way Doctor Who is going off the air is if/when the Beeb stops making money from it.
 

InTheLight

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This is rather obvious, isn't it?

It must be the monster in the manor. But why/how write it out in English?

The pocket universe is unstable. Where it was cold is where it was touching the real universe.

So if you draw a circle, a two-dimension construct, on the interface of a three (four?) dimensional pocket universe with our universe it suddenly and quite conveniently pops open a portal? A couple lines of dialogue by the Doctor explaining why this happens would have been helpful.


They got caught in the pocket universe.

Well, yes, that's obvious. But how?

Perhaps you should watch the show closer, because the Doctor explains this.

Did the explanation occur during the incessant sound amplified whining of the sonic screwdriver or during the incessant overly amplified sound track? Because I missed it.

She's moving through time, not space, so she would be moving about in the general location of the manor.

OK, fair enough, but that presumes the Tardis can make pinpoint time jumps. When did she gain that ability?

Is it a stretch to say it could be either? Both?

It's likely the Tardis, but again, one little line of dialogue would have been helpful.


Because that's what the monster sounds like.

That's rich!

Has the woman been stranded there for millions of years? No. The monster has probably been stranded as long as she has.

The woman time-traveler has only been stranded for a short while, but we know there is a differential in the pace of time passing between the pocket universe and our universe. So when the Doctor visited many points in time in earth's past, including millions of years, only minutes in the pocket universe had elapsed. However, the monster inside the manor on earth must have endured being stranded for millenia.

Time Lord. It is not a stretch in any way to think he could survive crossing universes.

But we know he is vulnerable to heat, cold, suffocation, bullets, etc. but I'll concede this one.


Yes, I think he would. And, he did.

Wasn't the quote, "if the Tardis is in the pocket universe for a minute or so it will burn her heart out"? So I find it a bit flippant that the Doctor would rescue the monster so it could be reunited with its love. Essentially he is putting his love, the Tardis, at risk for this monster couple.


Maybe, but I'm not understanding why this impacts your enjoyment of the show, if you actually do enjoy the show (I wonder about that).

I do enjoy the show, but I don't like lazy, sloppy scripts. Including this plot point seems to have been done to hammer home the point that the professor and Emma MUST get together because this time-traveling woman is their progeny, so just drop the resistance to expressing your mutual attraction and start copulating already! However, there were plenty of subtle hints that they would end up together, so I felt it was unnecessary.


I don't know. I didn't write the story.

Well, don't you think it's useful to the production of the story to have the title relate to the plot? I mean:

Asylum of the Daleks
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship[!]
The Snowmen
Bells of St. John
Rings of Akhaten
Cold War

all make sense, then there's "Hide". <Tennant voice> "What?, WHAT?"


I'm not sure that knowing the Doctor's name is a good thing.

Wasn't his name revealed in the classic series (third Doc? Monster of Peladon?) in written down form but it was just a mash-up of unpronounceable letters?


While I agree that I'd like to see it run 50 minutes long, some of the questions you listed could have been answered by watching the show more closely in the first place. 5 extra minutes isn't going to fix that.

Some of my complaints could have been addressed with a couple of lines of dialogue. How did the time-traveler and the monsters happen to "collide" with each other and why was one participant shunted off to Earth while the others stuck in the pocket universe? A simple three or four lines of dialogue would have provided the backstory.

What is the deal with references to the number eleven in recent stories? We Bells we had Clara telling a kid that "chapter eleven is the best chapter in the book, you'll cry your eyes out" and in Hide we hear, "whiskey is the eleventh most disgusting thing ever invented?" We are on the eleventh Doctor. Is the references to the number eleven some in-joke among the writers?
 

Matt Black

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The timing of commercials is problematic as well. When I was in England back in the early 90's, I thought it pretty novel that they didn't show commercials during the program. Don't know if they still do it that way, but it would certainly help the flow of the show.
It's still commercial-free; I agree with the comment that it's too short but I think the BBC feel they need to keep it that way so that they can syndicate it to stations who do have them and hence have a hour-long show,
 

ccrobinson

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InTheLight said:
Did the explanation occur during the incessant sound amplified whining of the sonic screwdriver or during the incessant overly amplified sound track? Because I missed it.

No, actually, there was nothing going on sound-wise at the time.


but that presumes the Tardis can make pinpoint time jumps. When did she gain that ability?

Well, it's not the first time we've seen this, even in Classic Doctor Who. This is an established thing, that sometimes the TARDIS is precise and sometimes it isn't. It's not fair for us, as viewers, to suddenly complain about the TARDIS making jumps like this when we've accepted it in other stories.


Wasn't the quote, "if the Tardis is in the pocket universe for a minute or so it will burn her heart out"?

Now, wait a minute here. You're quoting the show back to me? :smilewinkgrin:

It was 3 minutes, give or take.


Well, don't you think it's useful to the production of the story to have the title relate to the plot?

Fair point. I took it to mean hide from the monster.


Wasn't his name revealed in the classic series (third Doc? Monster of Peladon?) in written down form but it was just a mash-up of unpronounceable letters?

It's been a very long time since I've seen this one, but when I get to it, I'll make a note.


What is the deal with references to the number eleven in recent stories? We Bells we had Clara telling a kid that "chapter eleven is the best chapter in the book, you'll cry your eyes out" and in Hide we hear, "whiskey is the eleventh most disgusting thing ever invented?" We are on the eleventh Doctor. Is the references to the number eleven some in-joke among the writers?

I don't think it's an in-joke. I think the significance hasn't been revealed yet.
 

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Any one catch the 1893 reference to a modern day directional device in Crimson Horror last night? I didn't at first, but when I re-watched it a little while ago, I did. Pretty funny.

Also, there was a tip of that hat to a 5th Doctor companion.

Not a bad episode. There have certainly been worse.

:)
 
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