New Insight - Rick Warren

Sorry if i'm jumping in on a topic that is wore out or what I say has been said before. Rick Warren makes alot of money no doubt. He also says he gives 90% of it to charity and takes no salary from Saddleback.

Jerry

 

There is a surge of pride that comes with being able to thumb one's nose at Goliath.

Seriously, we do seem to like to pick on what is big and successful, although most would not stand well to the same kind of scrutiny. Really, can you imagine every word you ever said being scrutinized by bloggers who are bent on finding something wrong with you anyway...and in this case, it expands to not only your words, but the words of other bloggers about you. I shudder to think of that level of scrutiny from another person. And before someone brings up that we will give account for ever idle word...that account isn't given to you.

 

Indeed. His sermon was broadcast and re-broadcast and then broadcast again on Fox News Channel - the Gospel of Jesus Christ going out all over the world!!! Hallelujah!!!

It was a wonderful sermon and the plan of Salvation was presented very clearly for the whole world viewing FNC to hear! I Praise God for that & praise God for FNC allowing the Gospel to go forth repeatedly over satellite to people who might not otherwise have heard it. I never had heard Rick Warren preach before, and I, too, listened and was impressed. May God Bless His Word as it went forth throughout the world.

 

Hello Deacon. It sounds good, but to me there is a little too much of us in his writings. I am not saying any referred to or that agrees with this program is not saved. I am merely saying it has no appeal for me.

From the website above we find P.E.A.C.E. is not a church program for a few "specialists." The P.E.A.C.E Plan is a lay movement, designed to mobilize average church members to do normal tasks that can change the world. Oh that it would. The Apostles with the Power of the Holy Ghost gave it a good try, but could not get beyond Jerusalem that first year before they were effectively cut-off, losing their authority to spread the "great commission" to the whole world. The gospel of the "grace commission" has made it around the world now, and then after Damascus Road when Paul was appointed the Apostle to not only the Jew, but to we heathen Gentiles also.

Man in over 2000 years has not been able to change this world, and I really can't believe P.E.A.C.E. with all it diverse peoples and entities will be able to accomplish its goals, however great sounding they are.

I agree we are to fight, but we are to "fight with His Words". These five global giants are here because man brought them upon himself. This man now says there is "no organization or government that can effectively eradicate these giants. The only successful solution is the global Church of Jesus Christ." I don't believe he is referring to the "Body of Christ" here. His own powerful but evidently inept Saddleback Church can't do it - or even the millions in the Baptist churches, and all the churches in the world all alone in Christ can't do it. But now all we in the churches can come together and We all, just like Babylon will unite. We mighty ones can do it, but only if the P.E.A.C.E. plan is implemented. WE the powers of the P.E.A.C.E. plan (It was in bold) Quote :"can empower and equip each member of a local church to address these global giants in a holistic manner throughout the their local community (Jerusalem), nearby communities (Judea), regional area crossing cultural barriers (Samaria) and globally (to the entire world). This will be done by carrying out sustainable and reproducible actions of P.E.A.C.E." close quote.

What happened to the "Kingdom Church" of the great commission so many churches preach and adhere to? The "Body Church", of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and we will be saved keeps trying, but it's mission is to "preach the Cross, the Power of God. This is the only thing that will cure the ills of this world. I believe in our mist are "mixers" such as this Warren, the Grahams, the Carter's, and too many more to name, that actually believe it is man empowering man, and carrying out their will, and it is sustainable for we will furnish reproducible actions of P.E.A.C.E. to bring about the destruction of Spiritual Emptiness, Corrupt Leadership, Extreme Poverty, Pandemic Diseases, and Illiteracy & Lack of Education. This seems to be a works "church" to me.

Spiritual Emptiness: When we all get together in this particular "Kingdom Church" we expect to fill this empty space? These in this "Kingdom Church" will have little chance to see this, as the odds of making it through the "tribulation period" can't be very good, excepting the 144,000 Jews. Christ Jesus is the one that will bring peace and fill the Emptiness on His earthly return.

He today gives us peace, and not as the world gives peace. But His "peace" will come when He returns to this earth, and not before. He tells us this. Witness, "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:", Luke 12:51. I divide myself out of this group, as it is the individual today until He catches us up; Not a Global church of Jesus Christ. We are not ISRAEL of the "Kingdom Church", but of the "Body of Christ".The "head" is in heaven, and not down here at the present time.

Too long for the program and will be in two parts -

 

Continuation of the above.

Corrupt Leadership: Don't we understand we are corrupt in these sinful bodies. Are we not to preach, and teach the Word of God, the only begotten Son of God to the world? Jesus sent forth His Apostles to those He came for with the gospel of the "kingdom is at hand", and they were to preach that gospel of "repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins". This gospel was rejected by Israel, so they never got around to preaching it to the Gentile. After Damascus Road we are to preach the "grace commission" of the "remission of our sins" found in Christ Jesus, if we "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation".

I Corinthians 1:17-18, "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." Do we find the Cross preached front and center to work it's power in P.E.A.C.E., or a "Sales Seminar" with a program to bring "churches" together to form one huge Tower of Babylon consisting of all the religions of the world. All religions will jump on this bandwagon. And with good old worldly wisdom and understanding of, "Gee dad, look around you. Why everybody is doing it". Hello NOAH.

Extreme Poverty: Down here we "…have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always", Matthew 26:11. Are Pastor Rick and his associates going to take care of this little problem for us? That is not what Jesus said while He was on earth. We only have a short time with Him while we are on this earth, and we are to spend what time we do have with Him in heaven, and preaching down here the gospel of GRACE, for our future home is with Him. Yes we help the poor, but they will always be if we believe the Word that became flesh. But we are to concentrate on Him while we can, just as did the woman. This is "a memorial to her" - Matthew 26:13.

Pandemic Diseases: What can I say? Stop! Drop everything and forget about Cancer, Diabetes, Bird Flu, and all other diseases that are, and will come. We must help those that will not help themselves; will not behave themselves, indulging in the worst kind of sin. They are eaten up in their Sin, and they knowingly and willfully spread it through out the world. Do we say For the sake of God we must help these poor helpless people. They don't deserve what they bring on themselves. We, yes WE will save them and give our all for this great cause. We have to take care of the poor, the ignorant, and the perverted.

If the powers that be had any sense they would quarantined these poor souls before they spread it to the world. They could still do it, if for no other reason than to protect the innocent that will get it.

God is not going to do anything about it so it is up to us. All Agree? I hope so, then we can send you information on how to donate to the cause, and what to do, and what word to spread. Perhaps even a little gift, for right now, of a little trinket to hold tight, and have with you always to know how good you are, and helping our cause. God Bless You as We clean up this old world.

Illiteracy & Lack of Education: This will solve everything. We all must become knowledgeable about this world. Of course we should read the Bible, but of most importance we must educate every child to grow up knowing not just what God tells us, but what man knows also. All we have to do to get rid of "poverty, ignorance, and bigotry, and Love all people, is just Educate people. And we know this takes lots and lots of money.

How can they understand unless we instill in them to be like us. Give us your money, and we'll show you that we will fill that Spiritual Emptiness, deliver to you Leadership uncorrupted, and eliminate Extreme Poverty. The best minds of man will be put to work on finding a cure for the dreadful, transferable disease of Aids. We can't quarantine these poor unfortunate ones, as we would take away their unabridged right to "kill" others. They have the right to do what they want to, so we must help them in everyway possible to stop this carnage on themselves. Oh, and also on that small percentage of innocents that are infected through various unrelated ways.

I see other than the preaching of the Cross in this program.

 

Here's an interesting link with 7 short video clips (need to have newest version of Quicktime). So far, I've listened to 3 and there is NO mention of Jesus Christ, Bible, God, etc. Seems that RW avoids anything to do with Jesus Christ when he speaks with the Jewish people. It's all business with him and how to grow their congregations--not salvation. Do Jews need to be saved? Praise God, somebody "offended" me with the gospel 32 years ago. Anyway, what did we all do without the PDC or the PDL 32 years ago? Hmmmmm

 

Don't have time to watch, but are these all from the same speech or talk? If so, why not publish the whole thing? ANSWER: More can be gained or talked about by cutting it apart. I wasn't there. Neither were you. Seems that 32 years ago, Jesus was at work... just as He is today.

 

I don't know if they were from the same speech--seems that he did them on the same day--but this is the format I found them in---they are not very long. The entire message might be published on another site--but this is the site I found. Doesn't matter if I was there or not--RW didn't share the gospel with those unsaved Jews. Seems as though RW should be sharing the gospel with the lost, which includes the Jews, instead of talking about how to grow Jewish congregations. I have been to Jewish congregations as a believer (I was invited by an unsaved Jewish friend) and I did share Christ. I was not invited back--maybe that is what Rick Warren is concerned about--being an "offense" to the Jewish people.

 

You could break up anyone's messages into video segments and make it appear like they did not share the gospel.

 

Wow... alot of speculation is in this quote, and yet you're certain what Mr. Warren did and didn't do. Linda, I'm amazed, you must be psychic! :thumbs:

 

:applause: :applause: :applause:​

We must also consider the purpose of the meeting. This looks like a Leadership conference more than a Sunday service or even a witness situation. I also agree with his basic thought, I'd rather a Man be Jewish and believe in "A God" and Loving his fellowman that to be non-religious or believe in a religion that hates.

My prayer like Pauls is that Israel or the whole world would be saved. Unfortunately, we're a few short right now... I don't believe in comprimising my belief or religion for the sake of unity but the world does need encouragement to love... Even if it comes from Buddah.

 

I continue to be amazed at how willing we are to lower our standards. Some seem willing to judge Rick Warren based on hearsay, incomplete videos, and speculation. Wow! Strange, that even our lost world would not consider this evidence in court, yet those who claim to know Christ are so willing to use standards that are lower.

I Timothy 5:19 (NKJV) says, "Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses." Maybe its time we raise our standards, folks.

 

There is no love from Buddha. And there are several buddhas - in fact, no one even knows for sure there really was one. Buddha's teachings were not written down until about 500 yrs. after he supposedly lived. The story of his life is very mythlike with no historical evidence or backing.​

Having been involved with Tibetan Buddhism and Zen for several years, I can say with no hesitation that these are extremely evil religions and lead people into darkness, deception, and death.​

 

Linda, go read the last part of Acts 2...
PDL is in there!

They worshiped, fellowshipped, discipled, did ministry, and evangelized.
Imagine that.. Warren got the basics for PDL from scripture...Hmmmmm.

As a matter of fact, I was reading some SBC literature from the 60s a few months ago, and guess what i found... the same 5 basics that are taught in PDL/PDC!

The problem people have with Warren is pure Jealousy or lack of faith
They can't believe that God would allow a true church to grow to that level.... they need to look in Acts a little more.

 

I'm sorry you offended them to the point that they refuse to listen to you. You probably made them that much more hard hearted toward Christ.

That is the problem with the hit and run gospel... you offend them, then when others come behind you that want to develop a relationship with them in order to SHARE Christ with them, the door gets slammed in our face.

argh!

 

Wow backwards. A sister boldly preaches Christ to an antichrist and rather than supporting her you blame her for hardening the heart of a Jew?

If they are offended by hearing the name of Jesus Christ that's their problem not the saint that preached to 'em.