New liberal strategy: Assault 7-year-olds

Reference?

Jesus was a Jew.

 

==Are you reading what I am saying, or are you just responding? I said, and let me be clear, "type of thing".

==No, no change. Maybe being more generous with my wording, but no change.

==First marriage is between a man and a woman (Gen 2:24, Matt 19:4-6, etc). Second homosexuality is always classified as a sin in Scripture (Rom 1:26-27). So when the writer of Hebrews (probably a Jewish Christian) says "marriage is to be held in honor among all" he is defining marriage in the Biblical sense (one man, one woman). He makes clear that the sexually immoral ("pornous" translated "fornication" in the NASB) will face God's judgment. The same is also made clear in passages such as 1Corinthians 6:9-10 and Revelation 21:8.

==Each of those cases involves men and women, not men and men or women and women. So homosexual marriage cannot be granted on those grounds. Again homosexuality is always condemned in Scripture. I am not aware that God approved of such things (verse?). God's view of marriage was expressed by Jesus in Matthew 19 and it leaves no room for alternative views.

==What is the purpose of school in your view?

 

Both - first reading, then responding to what I read. You seem to be making a distinction without a difference, but ok.

You're claiming that protesting a church or yelling angrily at someone is the same type of thing as cold-bloodedly arranging an assault on a little kid. You say you've seen "liberals" do the same type of thing as beat up a 7 year old?

Oh yes, being more generous by not tarring all liberals but only many is a change and for the better. :thumbs:

I see marriage talked about but not defined. What about David and Solomon?

In any case, our laws are secular, not religious.

Education.

 

Really!? Are they homeschooled? If not, I daresay they already know more than you think.

It's not the school that is to blame, but the other kids. Kids, watch/listen to their parents, the tv, other kids and then they talk about stuff. Stuff you and I never even thought about at your younger children's age. It was from another kid that I found out what a lesbian was in seventh grade, not telling how long ago, and it was from other kids that my own kids heard the word gay being used and not knowing better used it in my presence.

I very quickly explained what it meant, what God thought about it and why we weren't going to call each other by that name. End of subject. They were about 6, 9 and 11 when we had this as a family discussion. I don't believe in sheltering kids from reality. Too much sheltering leads to kids who don't know how to deal with real people who don't believe the way we Christians believe. From time to time the issue of homosexuality comes up again and we review our beliefs. I believe discussing it now, gives my kids a firm foundation for dealing with it when I'm not around to protect them.

I'm really amazed that you've been able to keep this away from your kids.

 

==I would define marriage the way God did in Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:4-6. I have already talked about the situation with David and Solomon.

==Since marriage is a religious institution it cannot be seperated from God (it's creator). The secular state does not have the right, nor real ability, to redefine marriage.

 

God didn't define marriage in those passages and other passages extend the meaning those two. Christianity does not define marriage solely as one man, one woman, althought that may be considered better. Your comment on David & Solomon avoided rather than answered my questions.

Marriage as it currently exists in the United States is a secular as well as a religious institution. There are also more religions than Christianity wherein marriage is defined. The state is under no obligation to use a religous definition.


Since marriage currently is also secular in this country, the state does have the right and ability to define it. Couples are required to obtain a license from the secular state, but they are not required to have a religious ceremony in order for their marriage to be recognised as valid legally. If we were to move all secular marriages and all the laws concerning them to the status of civil unions then that should remove

 

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Evidently, there is a tiny bit of disagreement among Christians - see this article (linkie) and this one(linkie) .

You're right, I don't understand where "marriage" is mentioned in the passage you gave or how to reconcile that with:
1 Sam 25:43 David also took Ahinoam of Jezreel; and they were also both of them his wives.
or:
1Chron 14:3And David took more wives at Jerusalem: and David begat more sons and daughters.
and:
1 Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; 2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. 3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

So perhaps you could, as an expositor, explain how David and Solomon weren't really married to their wives, how David wasn't married to the mother of his heir Solomon.

 

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