reformedbeliever said:
We also do not believe all men are given the Gospel. There are many who (despite webdog saying there are not) never get to hear the Gospel. We have their survivors witness that they never heard the Gospel. This is your major stumbling block Allan. Yeah, you can say (as Webdog does) how can you prove this? By the testimony of those who were closest to them.... their family or thier survivors. NOT everyone is given "prevenient grace." As a matter of fact.... there is no such thing. Men are dead in their trespasses and sins.
Now Reformed, we have been through this a couple times already.
ALL men are given truth by God to believe or reject. What man does with the truths God gives him determines whether the Gospel itself is brought to them of distant lands where the Gospel is not. And THIS you can find many missionaries giving testimony of. However Remember in Romans 1 that nature and the conscience of man are used by God to reveal Himself to them and that disobeience brings forth Gods judgment (of which they know). So even in the basic truth THEY KNOW to repent, but repent unto whom? It is here God knowing their hearts has already sent forth a one to proclaim the fulness of the truth to them who are without the truth in full but not without the truth period, so as to be without excuse.
Example - Much like Philip and the Etheopian.
Prevenient Grace - There IS such a thing :thumbs:
Of course men are dead in their tresspasses and sins, but this does not change the fact they are able to accept or reject truth because 'dead' is not the wooden literal meaning of the word :laugh:
BTW - How is your minstry going?
