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And he calls himself "seekingtruth"??? lol
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New Orleans: A New World Order Showcase
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Thank you for the answers. If your desire is to be aware of, to make others aware of, and to observe, I see nothing wrong with that. But one or more of you have, in this thread and others, stated we must get the currect politicians out of office and bring an entirely new party in to slow or stop these things from continuing. That to me indicates a desire to try and stop it all from happening which is my only real problem with end time conspiracy theories and such. Perhaps it is simply the usual limitations this form of communication has which sometimes hampers the exchange of opinions and I am misunderstanding you folks.
Here is how I feel about current conflicts we are involved in. I was fully in support of taking out the Taliban and Al Queda and freeing Afghanistan. To me, that was a just war. Not necessarily to fight terrorism, but to prevent further attacks and loss of innocent lives.
As for the rest, I think unless there is a clear and present, immediate danger, this war on terror is a waste of time and money. Though, I don't think we should just cut and run and leave things unfinished. That would create a bigger mess than we already have. We should not do it again, however.
Yeah, well, it was all leading up to the question of, why bother. I got a little carried away.
Sorry it came off that way. Chalk it up to the limitations that are inherent to this form of communication.
That was actually quote snotty. I apologize. And no, I didn't put it that way to my dad or any of my friends who believe the same which I guess is why I was snotty, I expected a snotty response regardless of how I posed the question(s). I should have just assumed that would be the response.What's your definition of brave?
If you posed this whole question (seven parts) all at once with a smug attitude to dad (I'm fairly certain that wasn't the case) then it's little wonder you got the kind of response you did.
Fair enough.
I lean towards pre-trib, but I will admit the evidence is somewhat flimsy. But I do believe there is evidence enough that God doesn't plan for His believers to suffer through the tribulation.
What I am asking is, if you believe this is what leads to the anti-christ and the tribulation, aren't you somewhat fighting to prevent that from happening? I don't think it's wrong to get God's people riled up, I think we have become to complacent, I just don't see the point in fighting that which cannot be stopped. However, I do agree we need be aware enough to choose good over evil, I just don't think that requires absolute belief in the NWO, or Illuminati or whatever else there is out there, and ringing the bell about it constantly.
You are right. However, I am basing this that assumption on personal experience over the years with folks who believe as you do. I imagine others here are as well. That was one reason behind my post. The create a dialogue to perhaps get us to where we truly understand each other. At least so I will.
One problem is where that evidence comes from. You have to admit a great deal of it comes from sources which are questionable at best. Certainly posting sources from obvious anti-semites doesn't do much for supporting your position. (you in general, not you specifically. I don't recall who actually posted the link.)
I am not suggesting we just roll over and stick our heads in the sand, but I don't think there is enough reliable evidence to support current theories. I also think it is possible for the AC to come on the scene solo and take control over a bunch of weak minded unbelievers and not need a vast world wide conspiracy. Perhaps that is why I find most of this so hard to believe.
My weekend of slavery was great. I caught two big ole tasty trout out of Placid Lake, went to Cowboy Church Saturday nite, did some mountain biking on Big Sky Mountain....I sure do love how this coutry has me enslaved.
My wife did make me hang up two mirrors in her new office, and I had to install a cat-5 cable to her printer.
My wife did make me hang up two mirrors in her new office, and I had to install a cat-5 cable to her printer.
StraightAndNarrow
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Why did American patriots rise up to defeat their English oppressors? Why did we fight the Nazi's?
poncho
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These are good questions and I'll try to give you my opinions on them. Right now though I can't think of a concise reply. I'll give it some thought today and get back with you later tonight.
Fair enough?
I'm happy to hear you had a good time Bro Curtis.
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Here is how I feel about current conflicts we are involved in. I was fully in support of taking out the Taliban and Al Queda and freeing Afghanistan. To me, that was a just war. Not necessarily to fight terrorism, but to prevent further attacks and loss of innocent lives.
As for the rest, I think unless there is a clear and present, immediate danger, this war on terror is a waste of time and money. Though, I don't think we should just cut and run and leave things unfinished. That would create a bigger mess than we already have. We should not do it again, however. </font>[/QUOTE]Hey, I would agree with you.
As for credibility of sources, I just believe that any sources relating to conspiracy theories, etc. will appear to lack crdibility. That's the way the conspirators would want it to appear I believe. Granted, many sources do lack credibility. But I bet there are many that are credible but through various methods of guile, were made to appear to lack credibility...if you can understand what I'm getting at.
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Here is how I feel about current conflicts we are involved in. I was fully in support of taking out the Taliban and Al Queda and freeing Afghanistan. To me, that was a just war. Not necessarily to fight terrorism, but to prevent further attacks and loss of innocent lives.
As for the rest, I think unless there is a clear and present, immediate danger, this war on terror is a waste of time and money. Though, I don't think we should just cut and run and leave things unfinished. That would create a bigger mess than we already have. We should not do it again, however. </font>[/QUOTE]Hey, I would agree with you.
As for credibility of sources, I just believe that any sources relating to conspiracy theories, etc. will appear to lack credibility. That's the way the conspirators would want it to appear I believe. Granted, many sources do lack credibility. But I bet there are many that are credible but through various methods of guile, were made to appear to lack credibility...if you can understand what I'm getting at.
poncho
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Here is how I feel about current conflicts we are involved in. I was fully in support of taking out the Taliban and Al Queda and freeing Afghanistan. To me, that was a just war. Not necessarily to fight terrorism, but to prevent further attacks and loss of innocent lives.
As for the rest, I think unless there is a clear and present, immediate danger, this war on terror is a waste of time and money. Though, I don't think we should just cut and run and leave things unfinished. That would create a bigger mess than we already have. We should not do it again, however. </font>[/QUOTE]Hey, I would agree with you.
As for credibility of sources, I just believe that any sources relating to conspiracy theories, etc. will appear to lack credibility. That's the way the conspirators would want it to appear I believe. Granted, many sources do lack credibility. But I bet there are many that are credible but through various methods of guile, were made to appear to lack credibility...if you can understand what I'm getting at. </font>[/QUOTE]The mainstream (conglomerate) media certainly appears to be credible they work very hard at giving that impression. If that's the only source of information you rely on though and you haven't at least tried to learn propaganda tactics and it's use throughout history to be able to recognize the message behind the message most likely you are going to be led to choosing a side. Choose one left, right, black, white, for or against. Doesn't matter which side you're on the important thing is to choose a side but, they don't tell you that they also limit the choices by either withholding valuable information they'd rather you not see or hear or playing information in endless "loops" to make sure you get the message they want you too. In that way they create and control the tension between the groups that have already decided to adopt one or more of the choices they hold for out us to adopt.
For more indepth information on this google hegelian dialectic.
There is now and always has been those that seek to rule. Those that rule want to stay rulers. In order to stay rulers they have to contol the vassals and the barbarians. How they do this depends on the rulers character.
They could be good rulers and use wisdom and compassion to rule and delegate authority to vassals that will also rule with wisdom and compassion over the barbarians and most likely have a happy prosperous healthy population of barbarians free from government coercion. 1
Sadly throughout history this has not been the norm. Rulers have been selfish uncaring individuals and tend to delegate power and appoint vassals with the same qualities to rule over the barbarians.
They also try to choose vassals that will remain loyal to the ruler. Vassals have to be controlled also. There is a number of ways they do this through means of reward and punishment I won't go into details use your imagination. Hint, think of Caesar or Ghengis Khan or the Sapranos.
This shows up in ancient empires (Rome) as well as more modern (U.S.S.R) empires and even more recently media and corporate empires.
And the heads of these new empires that "rule over" them have to maintain control over their empires also. How do they do this?
Zbigniew Brzezinski (The Grand Chessboard page 40)
Again how they rule depends on the character of the ruler. Zbigniew Brzezinski is himself I believe a vassal not a ruler he has people over him and he knows by close association with them what their wishes are and he knows that without them his position in the hierarchy would be compromised. Therefore he's going to do what he has to do to hold his position and put forward the idea's and machinations of his sponsors. What's his idea of ruling?
</font>[/QUOTE]Just think about this for a minute, this guy has been one of the biggest contributers in thinking up our foreign policy. Does he, like the media portray him work only for the good of America or does he promote globalist policy to us as American policy?
We already got a good idea of what he considers to be barbarians right? The conglomerate media says they are a race or religious group living in a far off land that we (America) must be able to control for our "security" our "interests". And how does he plan to be able to control them and their lands and vast resources for our "interests"?
</font>[/QUOTE]Same old plays from the same old playbook.
All empires, Rome, England, Spain, France, the media, the corporations all rule the same way.
Today the rulers believe in a one world government, they have gained control of all the wealth through their banks, they own most of the media and corporations and they will always seek to expand their empire using the resources they have. And how do they do this?
</font>[/QUOTE]Same old plays from the same old playbook.
Where are all the credible sources for information now? I reckon it's right where the "rulers" keep telling us barbarians it isn't.
[ September 19, 2005, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]
Well, that's something we can agree on. The mainstream "press" is nothing more than a bunch of gossip rags that wouldn't know real news if it hit them in the head. Whether through conspiracy or through stupidity, they all stink.
I plan to read over the rest later when I am more awake.
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poncho, I would agree with you.
hey shag, that mainstream press includes conservative sources too.
hey shag, that mainstream press includes conservative sources too.
Fox is the worst. I feel like I am watching Entertainment Tonight when I watch Fox. Anyone else see Shepherd Smith crying his eyes out and pitching a fit live from NOLA? Thought my wife had snuck in and put it on Beverly Hills 90210 reruns. And every TV news source out there gets this sick look of glee in their eyes everytime something bad happens. I bet they were all high fiving when the levees broke.Originally posted by King James:
hey shag, that mainstream press includes conservative sources too.
Guess that's a little off topic though.
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Baptist in Richmond
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poncho, you listen to a certain radio broadcaster who is located in Austin, TX but utilizes shortwave and a radio network named after a book in the Bible, don't you???
Regards,
BiR
Regards,
BiR
poncho
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Yeah I do BiR. I find it's alot more informative and doesn't give me muscle cramps like Fox News.Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
poncho, you listen to a certain radio broadcaster who is located in Austin, TX but utilizes shortwave and a radio network named after a book in the Bible, don't you???
Regards,
BiR
I hardly ever watch tv, but tonight I turned it on to check on Rita (on Fox). WoW I wasn't prepared for the light show! I kept wondering if they hired Vince McMahon to do the format. It looks like a cross between a video game and the WWE.
I completely agree with King James. When the Antichrist does come, he won't need to do much deceiving... because as we see from this post- even the Christians attack other Christians that believe in 'those wacky conspiracy theories'. Imagine how blind the lost will be when he comes. People will be fighting for places in lines to receive the mark.
The road is being paved for a one world government, and one world religion, led by the Antichrist himself. Christians of all people should be paying attention to the worlds events and should see it happening, since they have (and should believe) the prophesy themselves.
And while I'm ranting, I might as well bring this up: Avoid the words YOU and YOUR when expressing emotions regarding a belief or stand of someone else. It's better to say "I personally don't believe in the NWO because..." than it is to say "All folks like YOU..." or "YOU are a bunch of...". That's a personal attack and it's not Christ-like. Just thought I would throw that in .
Now that that's over with, yes- it is true that law abiding citizens had their second amendment violated. And yes, it is true that wealthy individuals had private security forces (that were armed) and were not required to disarm. And yes, it is true that there are foreign troops on American soil- and that the federal government has power over the state... HOWEVER- the state requested the Federal government to come in and take over when the state declared a state of emergency.
There is nothing illegal with the federal government being there and being in command, but I do believe it is illegal to take away the peoples right to bear arms. But I believe it's too early to jump to the conclusion that this is the start of a police state...
The road is being paved for a one world government, and one world religion, led by the Antichrist himself. Christians of all people should be paying attention to the worlds events and should see it happening, since they have (and should believe) the prophesy themselves.
And while I'm ranting, I might as well bring this up: Avoid the words YOU and YOUR when expressing emotions regarding a belief or stand of someone else. It's better to say "I personally don't believe in the NWO because..." than it is to say "All folks like YOU..." or "YOU are a bunch of...". That's a personal attack and it's not Christ-like. Just thought I would throw that in
.Now that that's over with, yes- it is true that law abiding citizens had their second amendment violated. And yes, it is true that wealthy individuals had private security forces (that were armed) and were not required to disarm. And yes, it is true that there are foreign troops on American soil- and that the federal government has power over the state... HOWEVER- the state requested the Federal government to come in and take over when the state declared a state of emergency.
There is nothing illegal with the federal government being there and being in command, but I do believe it is illegal to take away the peoples right to bear arms. But I believe it's too early to jump to the conclusion that this is the start of a police state...