New Research: Pastors Deliberately Keeping Flock In The Dark

[InTheLight]

Okay then history is wrong, the Pharisees didn't rule over the Jews.

That's right, they didn't. The Pharisees were a religious sect among the Jews. The Sanhedrin might be thought of as ruling over the Jews, they were like a Jewish legal court, and some members of the Sanhedrin were Pharisees, but the Pharisees didn't govern.

You know you should get a job rewriting history you have much experience at it already.

Well, I can't hold a candle to you. You're the master of rewriting history and also rewriting current events.

 

[Gina B]

Aren't they suppose to teach their congregations biblical principles on how to deal with what's going on around them?

I mean instead of blaming democrats for everything while exonerating republicans for everything. Aren't pastors forming their congregations political views for them in this way?

If anything a pastor should be willing to place the blame where ever it happens to fall instead of shielding their preferred political group from being held accountable like they do so often.

I snipped out some of his reply, can't see it all at once, tried to leave what I wanted.

Now I forgot what I was going to say. LOL

Anyhow, I totally agree and do not understand the disconnect so many congregations have with what is going on in the world. It makes no sense. G-d gives a guide to use, even writes it all down, and everyone just sings songs and eats pot luck and pretends it doesn't exist. Very strange.

 

[carpro]

Okay then history is wrong, the Pharisees didn't rule over the Jews.

You know you should get a job rewriting history you have much experience at it already.

Jesus pointed out corruption. Period. Today's preachers point out the democrats corruption and run cover for the republicans who are every bit as corrupt.

How many have you personally heard preach that message?

I confess I have never heard any do so. Not even one.

If you're frequenting television for your evangelistic messages, I suggest you try somewhere else. If you're getting that message from your very own pastor, find another.

What I really think is going on is you're just on your typical rant against anyone that has a different opinion about politics than you do and using your own definition of "evangelist" as a punching bag. and you have no personal knowledge of the subject at all. It just makes a good rant.

 

[Revmitchell]

How many have you personally heard preach that message?

I confess I have never heard any do so. Not even one.

If you're frequenting television for your evangelistic messages, I suggest you try somewhere else. If you're getting that message from your very own pastor, find another.

What I really think is going on is you're just on your typical rant against anyone that has a different opinion about politics than you do and using your own definition of "evangelist" as a punching bag. and you have no personal knowledge of the subject at all. It just makes a good rant.

He wants to think he, like Zaac, knows what every preacher in the country is preaching on. Probably knows very few preachers personally.

 

[Zaac]

He wants to think he, like Zaac, knows what every preacher in the country is preaching on. Probably knows very few preachers personally.

Another lie from the good Rev. You've gotten good at it though.:thumbs:

 

[Zaac]

I snipped out some of his reply, can't see it all at once, tried to leave what I wanted.

Now I forgot what I was going to say. LOL

Anyhow, I totally agree and do not understand the disconnect so many congregations have with what is going on in the world. It makes no sense. G-d gives a guide to use, even writes it all down, and everyone just sings songs and eats pot luck and pretends it doesn't exist. Very strange.

Again Gina, if pastors are preaching the word of God and congregations are listening, there shouldn't be a disconnect.

Scripture addresses all of this stuff that's taking place. The Body of Christ just has to remember that we've been commissioned to a purpose. Don't get off message and sucked in by politics just because the world is doing what Scripture already told you it must do before Jesus returns to rapture His Church.

 

[carpro]

Another lie from the good Rev. You've gotten good at it though.:thumbs:

What!!!

A personal insult from our very own pious judge of the behavior of Christians.

Once again you have shown us you are what you judge others to be.

Clean up you own house, oh pious one.

 

[Revmitchell]

A personal insult from our very own pious judge of the behavior of Christians.

Which is 99% of his posts ever since he got here.

 

[righteousdude2]

Another lie from the good Rev. You've gotten good at it though.:thumbs:

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[righteousdude2]

What!!!

A personal insult from our very own pious judge of the behavior of Christians.

Once again you have shown us you are what you judge others to be.

Clean up you own house, oh pious one.

I think this photo cut is appropriate for what you are saing about our favorite pharisee


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[Zaac]

Oh looky looky. The gangs all here. The majority doesn't rule where Jesus is King. Your show of hands doesn't change a lie into truth. It just makes THREE of you wrong.:wavey:

 

[righteousdude2]

Pasotr Saeed - http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...astor-saeed-abedini-make-video-plea-to-obama/

I see nothing wronto pray for the immediate release of a marine in a Mexican prisong with keeping your congregation up to date on things like Pastor Saeed in a Iranian prison! Or letting your church know about a bill to ban gay marriage! Or an update on Hobby Lobby and their case against birth control! Or the immediate release of a marine in a Mexican prison! Or to pray for the 500 Nigerian girls kidnapped and being held hostage by Boko Horan! Or to pray for African Christian and Iraqi Christian being persecuted for their faith. Or to raise the awareness of Samaritans Purse to collect shoeboxes for Christmas. Or about school vacinations offered for free. Or food stamp and other low income assistances for those who are in the cogregation or know of someone in that catagorey. In fact, it is not wrong to pray for the homeless and the needy in our nation! Or to mention places members can go to volunteer to help at missions!

I have a sneaky suspicion that liberal believers have no problem when their church uses the pulpit to support same-gender marriage; or HIV/Aids mission work around the world? Or to support the end of wars in place like Iraq ad Afghanistan? Or to talk about need to support global warming issues. And I know many liberal churches spoke with great concern when Sarah Palin was running for VP.

We all know that the Rev's Al Shaprton and Jesses Jackson and Jeremiah Wright use the pulpit as a bully pulpit, but because they lean a little left, it must be okay!

Again, it is our responsibity as pastors to keep our congregations informed of Biblical issues as well as social concerns and how the two are intertwined. I do not believe that Romans 12:2, "Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect." Is a directive or mandate to not keep the church in the dark when it comes to work issues!

I think public and political issues are going to be part of the pulpit, and it can be prayerfully and tastefully intertwined with the Biblical message, without making members in the congregation feel uncomfortable, or think they have to vote one way or another! http://www.gotquestions.org/in-but-not-of-world.html

In closing, I do not support the church going so far as to invite politicans to church services in order to introduce them and let them say a word or two. And while I was curious and mildly interested in Rick Warrens debate between McCain and Obama at his church, I think that is an overreach of the ministry! That was going a little too far! Still, it was a good debate, and people should have seen what Obama was going to be like when he stated he couldn't answer a c=question as it was beyond his pay grade.

People, everything Obama deflects and ignores must be beyond his pay grade! We did get what we voted for.

 

[righteousdude2]

And look what is calling the kettle black?

Oh looky looky. The gangs all here. The majority doesn't rule where Jesus is King. Your show of hands doesn't change a lie into truth. It just makes THREE of you wrong.:wavey:

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[carpro]

Oh looky looky. The gangs all here. The majority doesn't rule where Jesus is King. Your show of hands doesn't change a lie into truth. It just makes THREE of you wrong.:wavey:

Go away troll.

Many here are onto your game. Not just 3. We've all seen it before.

 

[Zaac]

Go away troll.

Many here are onto your game. Not just 3. We've all seen it before.

Poor thang. Thinks he can run away anyone who points out his foolishness as foolishness. Gather around those who tell you what your itching ears want to hear. Still won't change lies into the truth.

 

[carpro]

Poor thang. Thinks he can run away anyone who points out his foolishness as foolishness. Gather around those who tell you what your itching ears want to hear. Still won't change lies into the truth.

Another example that you are what you judge others to be.

But you're just another troll. Nothing more.

 

[Zaac]

Another example that you are what you judge others to be.

But you're just another troll. Nothing more.

Poor thang. Gather around those who tell you what your itching ears want to hear. Still won't change lies into the truth. Calling me names won't change untruth to truth. You can't shut down the truth no matter what name you want to put on it.

 

[poncho]

I see you edited your reply from:

"Jesus spoke out against corruption"

to

"Jesus spoke out against the corruption of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

Last time I looked they were not political parties to be blamed.



Now, I'm certain you will accuse me of turning your statements 180 degrees, but any reasonable person reading your posts in this thread can see that you are disappointed that evangelical pastors do not blame the Republican party for the political problems in the USA.

So this is the point of your post. How pathetic.



Divert, distract, deflect. Typical.

Wow. Yer like the greatest detective that ever lived! How come you can't figure out that the lender is greater than the borrower?

So the Pharisees and Sadducees weren't political parties huh? Really? I never would have guessed that. They ruled over the Jews and probably played the same divide and conquer game political parties do so well today.

What's disappointing is seeing so many pastors acting as apologists for their preferred political party. The democratic party isn't the only party that is corrupt to the core but you wouldn't know that from listening to today's "republican" pastors.

Corruption is corruption. Either you're for it or against it. Making excuses for the corruption in your own party is supporting it and just allows it to grow.

Divert, distract, deflect. Typical.

That seems to be your game plan alright. That's what this statement is meant to do . . . "any reasonable person reading your posts in this thread can see that you are disappointed that evangelical pastors do not blame the Republican party for the political problems in the USA."

Any reasonable person reading your statement can see that you are attempting to divert, distract, deflect by doing what you always do. Attempting to twist the meaning of whatever I say into mean something else.

How pathetic indeed.

 

[preacher4truth]

George Barna hates all traditional churches and believes they are unbiblical. He is a proponent of the offical house church movement and hates the role of pastors in the church. He works at every turn to place the church in the worst possible light that he can.

He has no credibility.

Document your accusations.

 

[poncho]

Document your accusations.

You'd have better luck picking apples from orange trees than getting the Rev to document his accusations.

He and his neocon buddies have exempted themselves from having to do what they demand of others.

Their usual response to such inquiries is "duh, it's the consensus stupid" then they either go silent or start with the name calling routine.