New variant C.1.2 mutant most infectious yet and may evade vaccines

[Scott Downey]

I saw a Dr today who said the particular T cells, known as Killer T cells, which are most important in fighting Covid, drop rapidly after MRNA vaccination.

Hard to know why but losing T cells is bad.

 

[JonC]

I saw a Dr today who said the particular T cells, known as Killer T cells, which are most important in fighting Covid, drop rapidly after MRNA vaccination.

Interesting. Studies show otherwise (that is studies of the jj vaccination). And this concerns Moderna. Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine elicits durable T cell memory and antibody responses

 

[Scott Downey]

Pfizer vaccine destroys T cells, weakens the immune system – study | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary (stateofthenation.co)

(Natural News) A study from the Francis Crick Institute in the United Kingdom has found that the Pfizer-BioNTech Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine destroys T cells and weakens the immune system. But pharmaceutical corporations are trying to suggest that the only way to prevent this from happening is for people to get third or booster doses of their vaccines.

T cells are immune cells that can focus on targeting specific foreign particles. They are most commonly studied in relation to their ability to fight cancer and infectious diseases, but they are also essential for other aspects of the body’s immune response.

There are two kinds of T cells: killer T cells and helper T cells. Killer T cells directly attack cells that have already been infected by foreign particles. Helper T cells aid other cells to develop killer cells and stimulate other cells to create neutralizing antibodies.

This study from the Francis Crick Institute focuses on the neutralizing antibodies created by T cells. It analyzes whether the Pfizer vaccine helps the T cells create enough antibodies to fight off the COVID-19 variants.

Pfizer vaccine barely produces antibodies to fight against COVID-19

The Francis Crick Institute, in collaboration with the British National Institute for Health Research, released a study that showed that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine produced fewer neutralizing antibodies against COVID-19’s variants. (Related: Spanish study finds Pfizer vaccine contains high levels of TOXIC graphene oxide.)

 

[Reynolds]

Interesting. Studies show otherwise (that is studies of the jj vaccination).

J and J not MRNA.

 

[Scott Downey]

However, the graphene oxide mention is heavily disputed.
What you are getting is a mixture of true things and false things, but that does not invalidate the true things.

 

[JonC]

J and J not MRNA.

Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine elicits durable T cell memory and antibody responses

How COVID-19 vaccines prime T cells to fight new coronavirus variants

Penn Study Details Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines—a More Durable Source of Protection - Penn Medicine

mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Prime T Cells To Fight Against SARS-CoV-2 Variants

Study details robust T-cell response to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines -- a more durable source of protection: Results underline the importance of a second dose and include implications for booster shots

New Evidence Suggests COVID-19 Vaccines Remain Effective Against Variants

Early T cell and binding antibody responses are associated with COVID-19 RNA vaccine efficacy onset - ScienceDirect

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines induce broad CD4+ T cell responses that recognize SARS-CoV-2 variants and HCoV-NL63 - PubMed

Covid-19 vaccines: delivering protective immunity

Study shows why second dose of COVID-19 vaccine shouldn’t be skipped

JCI - SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines induce broad CD4+ T cell responses that recognize SARS-CoV-2 variants and HCoV-NL63

 

[Scott Downey]

FDA Ignores New UK Study Showing Pfizer Vaccine Destroys T Cells, Weakens the Immune System | CauseACTION Clarion
here it is again, I would like a link to that study to read.

 

[Reynolds]

However, the graphene oxide mention is heavily disputed.
What you are getting is a mixture of true things and false things, but that does not invalidate the true things.

Graphineoxide was found in the vaccine in Spain. Whether or not it was intentional or a contaminant is the only real issue.

 

[Scott Downey]

Neutralising antibody activity against SARS-CoV-2 VOCs B.1.617.2 and B.1.351 by BNT162b2 vaccination - The Lancet

OK, I found it or something like it, referenced in one of those sites.

 

[Reynolds]

Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine elicits durable T cell memory and antibody responses

How COVID-19 vaccines prime T cells to fight new coronavirus variants

Penn Study Details Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines—a More Durable Source of Protection - Penn Medicine

mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Prime T Cells To Fight Against SARS-CoV-2 Variants

Study details robust T-cell response to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines -- a more durable source of protection: Results underline the importance of a second dose and include implications for booster shots

New Evidence Suggests COVID-19 Vaccines Remain Effective Against Variants

Early T cell and binding antibody responses are associated with COVID-19 RNA vaccine efficacy onset - ScienceDirect

I read two of the studies. Any of them deal with levels?

 

[JonC]

I read two of the studies. Any of them deal with levels?

Yes. The irony is a several weeks ago the anti-vaxers were complaining that vaccine antibodies did not last very long....the answer was that jj, pfizer, and Moderna booster t-celks.

Now, does the vaccines protect more than the virus (for those who survive)? Studies say for the varient to which a person is exposed, no....but to other varients, yes.

 

[Scott Downey]

Coronavirus: Immune clue sparks treatment hope - BBC News

Ok, here is the T cell reduction mention..., and it is real.
It is old news, and it has to do with getting a covid infection.
Maybe getting a vaccine like AZ or JnJ which mimics a covid infection then drops the T cells as well...which makes logical sense, DON'T IT!

It has been found those with the most severe form of the disease have extremely low numbers of an immune cell called a T-cell.

T-cells clear infection from the body.

The clinical trial will evaluate if a drug called interleukin 7, known to boost T-cell numbers, can aid patients' recovery.

It involves scientists from the Francis Crick Institute, King's College London and Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital.

They have looked at immune cells in the blood of 60 Covid-19 patients and found an apparent crash in the numbers of T-cells.


Prof Adrian Hayday from the Crick Institute said it was a "great surprise" to see what was happening with the immune cells.

"They're trying to protect us, but the virus seems to be doing something that's pulling the rug from under them, because their numbers have declined dramatically.

In a microlitre (0.001ml) drop of blood, normal healthy adults have between 2,000 and 4,000 T-cells, also called T lymphocytes.

The Covid patients the team tested had between 200-1,200.

 

[JonC]

COVID-19 vaccines don’t destroy T cells or weaken immune system

 

[Reynolds]

Yes. The irony is a several weeks ago the anti-vaxers were complaining that vaccine antibodies did not last very long....the answer was that jj, pfizer, and Moderna booster t-celks.

Now, does the vaccines protect more than the virus (for those who survive)? Studies say for the varient to which a person is exposed, no....but to other varients, yes.

I think the pro-vax people were complaining about how long the antibodies last. 3rd shot. Shot every 8 months. That is pro-vax people saying that.
Antibody enhanced dependency is what antivax were and are complaining about.

Which one deals with levels, so I won't have to read them all?

 

[JonC]

I think the pro-vax people were complaining about how long the antibodies last. 3rd shot. Shot every 8 months. That is pro-vax people saying that.
Antibody enhanced dependency is what antivax were and are complaining about.

Which one deals with levels, so I won't have to read them all?

They said about 8 months to a year. Thus far this seems right (decrease to 70-75% at 8 months). But the benefit is not just the antibodies. Even when the antibodies are not detectable tge T-cells provide a defence with mRNA and JJ vaccines. The natural antibodies are along the same time frame (at a year there were none detected....not that it matters with varients).

 

[just-want-peace]

I like this one out of Israel:

Natural Immunity for the WIN! Israeli Study Suggests COVID-19 Vaccine Policies Should Change Now – PJ Media

Thanks!!!!!

 

[Andre]

...., you will see it wreak havoc on the immune systems who were damaged by the vax.

Do you have any credible evidence that the vaccine in any way damages the immune system?

 

[Andre]

I saw a Dr today who said the particular T cells, known as Killer T cells, which are most important in fighting Covid, drop rapidly after MRNA vaccination.

Please provide some clear evidence for this claim - which I am almost certain is not true - from a person with a name and appropriate medical expertise.

 

[Wingman68]

https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/...opy-reveals-graphene-oxide-in-cov-19-vaccines

Something new discovered which may explain why Ivermectin is effective.

Newsbreak 133|BREAKING: Dr. Young Reveals Graphene, Aluminium, LNP Capsids, Parasite in 4 Vaccines

 

[Andre]

Coronavirus: Immune clue sparks treatment hope - BBC News

Ok, here is the T cell reduction mention..., and it is real.
It is old news, and it has to do with getting a covid infection.
Maybe getting a vaccine like AZ or JnJ which mimics a covid infection then drops the T cells as well...which makes logical sense, DON'T IT!

Maybe?

I will go with the experts and the evidence.