New view, or same old view?

Whether one is a dispensationalist or not, the Bible is clearly dispensational. OT saints were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit...the Church is. Not all believers are "the elect". Not all of those chosen are "the elect", but all of "the elect" are chosen.

 

So how is this different that what I originally said in post #13? I am not trying to trap you or anything. What I said in #13 was a good-faith interpretation of what I thought you believed. You said no, and have not given me any reason that is different than what I said in #13, which is: Election applies to Jewish believers, while it does not apply to Gentiles.

 

You have basically said that no gentile has been chosen by God for any reason.

 

So is this down to semantics? I think the words elect and chosen are interchangeable. I've never seen exegesis that suggests these words mean different things. So when you say that only Jewish believers are referred to as the 'elect', then how can I not conclude that you think election only applies to them and not to Gentiles? Again, I thought that was a fair assessment of your view on election. I wasn't trying to stir anything up.

 

Since Judas and Pharaoh were chosen by God, are they "the elect" then? If they are interchangeable, as you say, the answer has to be yes.

A classification of a group of people (the elect) is plainly different than simply interchanging the words elect and chosen. God has a remnant of angels He refers to as "elect" as well as humans (His chosen people...the "of Israel" group, "the elect"...
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel, who are of Israel:

 

Well of course the words elect and chosen can have different objects, but the words themselves still mean essentially the same thing. (I'm thinking of them as verbs.) When they are used as nouns, the words elect or chosen are only used to denote God's people or his angels.

You know, after several posts, I have no clearer picture as to what you believe about election. Maybe I'm just slow. Maybe you don't care (either that I'm slow or that you have not clearly communicated). But it might be helpful if you posted a summary of your view on election.

 

There was a thread going a little while ago where this was all outlined. I will see if I can go back and search for the link.

 

This caught my eye. You are correct here. Now the key is to see which of God's people are being referred to in context when that phrase "the elect" is used.

 

I'm sure you already know what I believe about this. I don't know why you are acting like you don't. I don't believe the above because of the highlighted. You know my stance on the whole "looking into the future" scenario.

Some aspects of the free grace perspective I agree with, and some I don't. The highlighted I agree with.

 

I don't understand your question. We are all "elected" for salvation according to Ephesians 2:8-9. I haven't seen anything from the free grace perspective that disagrees with this.