News: Abortion Protests

Ransom, beating a two year old to death is illegal child abuse, abortion remains to be legal.

If I were a woman trying to enter a clinic and someone were blocking my pathway I would ask them to move, if they didn't I would....

Call the clinic and inform them I was being blocked from using thier servies

Call the police and request an arrest

Go to another clinic and go through with my plans.

Think on this folks. How would any of us feel if any of these women would stand in front of our church doors and attempt to block our enterance and our lawful right to worship in our church just because they don't believe and don't agree?

Karen

 

Karen, let me know when entry into a church means someone is about to be killed.

 

I have never joined a public anti-abortion march,
but I worked for Minnesota Citizens Concerned
for Life when I lived there. What did my pastor
think of that? He did everything he could to
discourage me from working there, including
offering me a job with his church. According to
him, abortion was a "Catholic issue," and "real"'
Christians needed to stay out of it.

According to him and other pastors I have had,
abortion was a "political issue' and must stay out
of the pulpit.

Sad.

No, deliberate, in-the-face-of-our-God sin.

 

I never said I agree with abortion, I never said I agree with murding an unborn child. What I am talking about it the fact that even if we disagree with abortion it is still a legal right for a woman to choose to do so, so where it comes to a legal right Helen, it is the exact same thing as blocking one from going to church. No, babies are not murdered in church, but the right for us to attend church is legal and so is abortion. We as christians are wrong for crossing over a line in abusing rights which will get us now where.

Karen

 

Karen, by that logic, slavery should never have been opposed either.

Legal does not equate with moral. And moral trumps in my book.

 

Good for you, Helen! I couldn't have explained it better myself!

BTW Karen, it used to be a legal "right" in this country for a man to beat his wife. God forgive those who opposed this "right."

Also, in the days of Christ, it was illegal to go around calling yourself the Messiah. I guess Christ was wrong for breaking the law, right?

Think about what you're saying. Morals are good, but only if they don't conflict with law. I think that should be the other way around.

 

Well perhaps it's logical and moral in your mind but to me and many others it's wrong, I support and stand with those women. We'll see how the rest feel when their rights are violated ..to even compare beating children,slavery and domestic violence to a simple matter as this is downright crazy it's not even close. Somehow in this mixed up thinking, it's perfectly ok for Christians to violate and interfere in other's lives and legal rights, but if the world attempts to violate our rights...shame on that bad bad world.....it's a hypocritical lifestyle.

How's that phrase go....it's never right to do wrong to do right??

Karen

 

Simple matter?!?! How on earth can you say this is a simple matter? We are talking about the outright slaughter of innocent little babies. Was the Holocaust a simple matter? Is any murder a simple matter? How can you say this?

I don't think you are as strong in your conviction against abortion as you say you are.

BTW, this matter is more severe than thos you listed. At least, when a child, slave, or spouse was beaten, they lived. Abortion's sole purpose is to extinguish, kill, murder, slaughter a little baby's life.

Let me pose a question to you. Say Jesus was to be born in this century, instead of the first. By our laws, his unwed mother would have the legal "right" to end her pregnancy, even if it was the Lord Jesus Christ. And you, Karen, would be all supportive of her supposed "right" to do so.

It burns me up to think that someone who professes to be a Christian could be in favor of a woman's "right" to choose to kill her child. Would you still support her if the child was 1 hour, 1 week, or 1 month old? Tell me, what is the difference?

Patiently waiting for your answer.

 

"Just following orders".

That's what the guys in Nazi Germany, who herded the Jews into the death chambers and gassed them, said. "Just following orders". It was perfectly legal, what they did, wasn't it?

Others had more faith in God than Hitler, and some paid a big price.

 

Since God gave the life, don't you think He should be the one to decide when to end it, Karen? Conception is not an accident. God could have prevented that life from happening. He didn't. That means He has a plan for it. It is an 'on purpose' thing; something He has, at the least, allowed for HIS purposes.

It takes either an awful lot of ignorance or rebellion to be willing to throw that back in His face...

 

Karen;

What if your mother would have chosen to ignore God's gift, (YOU), and decided instead to murder you?

I know this sounds trite; but every pro-choice person I know had a mother who did not believe in abortion!

Sue

 

In all fairness to Karen, I don't think she's saying that abortion is ok, just that it's legal.

Having said that, Karen, I think that you are seriously wrong in what you are saying. The key point that you need to consider is that "rights" come from God, not government.

NOBODY has a right to enter an abortion clinic with the intention of murder. God says so, and the government has no say in the matter.

The government canot "give" rights. It can only protect them or violate them.

 

If you physically obstruct someone from going about their legal business then you should be arrested - many civil rights protestors went to jail are you willing to follow in their path?

 

redwhitenblue said:

Ransom, beating a two year old to death is illegal child abuse, abortion remains to be legal.

So you dismiss the murder of thousands of unborn human persons per year, on the basis that as long as the person is sufficiently young, it's "legal"?

Think on this folks. How would any of us feel if any of these women would stand in front of our church doors and attempt to block our enterance and our lawful right to worship in our church just because they don't believe and don't agree?

Are children being sacrificed in this church?

 

redwhitenblue said:

I never said I agree with abortion, I never said I agree with murding an unborn child. What I am talking about it the fact that even if we disagree with abortion it is still a legal right for a woman to choose to do so

This is moral relativism in action; what rw&b is saying, essentially, is that although she (?) personally opposes abortion, she has no right to dictate what moral choices others should make. Especially if it's a "legal" choice.

We as christians are wrong for crossing over a line in abusing rights which will get us now where.

What if the law making abortion legal is unjust? After all, it tacitly approves of the deliberate extermination of unborn human persons, at any time, for any reason.

Do we not have a duty to oppose unjust laws?

 

Of course - through the legally established channels for doing so.

 

Since there seems to be a misunderstanding on my stand...allow me to clear it up.

I am in no way shape or form in support of abortion, I detest abortion, and further more find no excuse to have an abortion to be considered ok. I have a 6 year old son, had a miscarriage at 2 months and am now 5 months pregnant again. This child I am carrying now I was not even close to wanting, but because of the fact that I am carrying a little life inside of me which God sought fit to place there, I absolutely would never even consider adoption much less abortion!

Now that I've said that, please attempt to separate what I am discussing here, I'm not talking about if it's ok to have the abortion, I'm talking about a rights. Your personal rights and my personal rights. How far are we going to take this in blocking individuals from making their own choices? Are you also willing to throw yourselves in front of liquor stores and prevent folks from entering bars because of the fact they are drinking, driving and could kill another individual on the road?

We all have choices to make, it's up to us in how we make those choices and each of us *will* answer for those choices being made, but God will be our only judge.

Btw, to answer the question about would I support a murder of a child already born ...if you have read my posts from before on this thread I would think it would be clear by now, it is illegal to murder anyone unless an unborn child..I do think this is bogus to say the least but it's still the way it is.

Also, don't even attempt to judge my heart with God in salvation due to my stand on an individuals right to walk into a clinic. That's pretty lame.

Hmm just a question here...how many would also agree to people blocking the doorway to enter a place which sells contraceptives? Isn't that also interfering with God's plan for pregnancy?? I don't believe that way, but I know there are some who do.

Karen

 

Of course - through the legally established channels for doing so. </font>[/QUOTE]It is perfectly legal for me to stand in front of an abortion clinic door. If a woman tries to push me out of the way...she is breaking the law; not me. I am not using violence.

If I was breaking the law; I would not do it...and yes, I would be willing to go to jail for the sake of saving unborn children.

Sue

 

InHim2002 said:

Do we not have a duty to oppose unjust laws?

Of course - through the legally established channels for doing so.

Public protest is a "legally established channel for doing so."