News Death Penalty Found Constitutional

Exactly right. The DC snipers wouldn't be alive now if they were in my country. They'd be loosed and told to run, and then....But,then, the Philippines is a poor country. It really can't afford the luxuries that murderers in this country have in prison, like a gym, a college education, a psychiatric service, etc..

 

Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors.

 

The DC snipers wouldn't be alive now if they were in my country
Uhhh, considering they haven't had a trial yet, that comment concerns me.

God said they do not deserve to live!
Please show me in the Bible that says that those who don't kill are to be given the death penalty.

When some one uses a deadly weapon while commiting a crime, should be substancial to prove intent.
My personal view is, if you elevate the intent, you end up trivializing the act.

Also, the numbers that you provided, shows how illogical our system really is!
I'm not the one who said it was cheaper to put someone to death, you did. Got get upset at me if you've been proven wrong.

What amuses most is the fact that all the other OT laws are considered "legalism" when we follow them, but capital punishment isn't. The comments on this thread seem to show that capital punishment is less about people wanting justice, and more about people wanting vengeance.

[ December 13, 2002, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

Is this dollar figure based on one year of expenses, or is it for a lifetime?

Just how many people have been executed by LA in the past 10 years? I am thinking that something doesn't add up here, seeing as LA is one of the most liberal cities in the USA, and had a moratorium on death penalties at one time (I think that is the reason Manson is still alive today taunting the victims' families).

Joseph Botwinick

 

John,

Didn't you like my idea to cut the cost of the death penalty and be friendly to the environment at the same time. Wouldn't that make me a moderate to take the conservative side on the Death Penalty but champion a liberal cause in the environment at the same time...

Joseph Botwinick

 

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

 

Is this dollar figure based on one year of expenses, or is it for a lifetime?
This is the cost per defendant. Costs in other areas are: $2.3 million in Texas (compared to about a $800,000 to incarcerate a person for 40 years), and just over $3 million in Florida.

Just how many people have been executed by LA in the past 10 years?
Technically, none. Once the sentence is handed down, all death penalty defendants go to San Quentin Prison near Sacramento. But the costs incurred are routed to the originating jurisdiction. I don't know what the exact number of LA cases is, but the total number of persons in California on death row is 128 men and 6 women. Several of these people are still waiting for an appeal (higher court review is mandatory for death penalty cases) This bottleneck is caused by the shortage of attorneys that practice capital appeals. I believe the next execution from LA will be the Night Stalker case. If not the next, then shortly thereafter.

I am thinking that something doesn't add up here, seeing as LA is one of the most liberal cities in the USA
That must explain why their retiring mayor, Richard Riordan (1993-2001), was one of the most approved of mayors and loved mayors in the City's history. He's a Republican.

and had a moratorium on death penalties at one time (I think that is the reason Manson is still alive today taunting the victims' families).
That was not Los Angeles, but the State of California. Manson was sentenced to death. years later, the death penalty was abolished in CA, so all persons in death row nad their sentences commuted to life. Later, the death penalty was reinststed. Federal Double Jeopardy restrictions do not allow a criminal sentence to be added to, so all commuted sentences remained so.

[ December 13, 2002, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

Didn't you like my idea to cut the cost of the death penalty and be friendly to the environment at the same time.

I thought is was in poor taste and not becoming of Christian character.

[ December 13, 2002, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

I am asking if this is the cost per year for those spending life w/o parole in prison, or is this for the entire life of the prisoner. Also, it seems a little dishonest to me for you to say that this is the dollar figure of what it cost to put someone to death when even you admit that nobody has actually been put to death. Are you saying that this amount of money is to pay for the incarceration of the prisoner untill they are executed while their lawyer appeals for 20 years and the murderer mocks the victim's family? If so, I have a simple answer for that. Execute the murderer. After they are convicted, if there is grounds for appeal, let them appeal once, maybe twice, and then execute them.

I am thinking that something doesn't add up here, seeing as LA is one of the most liberal cities in the USA
That must explain why their retiring mayor, Richard Riordan (1993-2001), was one of the most approved of mayors and loved mayors in the City's history. He's a Republican.. [/QUOTE]

You know as well as I do that Republican does not equal conservative anymore. All one has to do is look to Haley Barbour, John MCcain, and the Lincoln Log Cabin organization to figure that out.

and had a moratorium on death penalties at one time (I think that is the reason Manson is still alive today taunting the victims' families).

That was not Los Angeles, but the State of California. Manson was sentenced to death. years later, the death penalty was abolished in CA, so all persons in death row nad their sentences commuted to life. Later, the death penalty was reinststed. Federal Double Jeopardy restrictions do not allow a criminal sentence to be added to, so all commuted sentences remained so.[/QUOTE]

Manson was sentenced to life in prison. I know this as I have watched documentaries where he has been rejected for parole time and time again.

 

I personally liked the rope & chair routine.

And publically, too!

Very good suggestion, Joseph!

Economical, to the point, and a perfect deterent!

Merry CHRISTmas!

 

You know, Houston still has our "Hangin Tree" Downtown. Though, it hasn't been used since, I think, 1903, when the electric chair was instated. Personally, I think if we went back to public hangings, and made juvenile offenders witness them, that would be a great deterrant for all future criminals. I think the full $2 million spent on death penalty convicts is the total for all the appeals and quartering for 20 or so years. I think that defendants should be allowed maybe up to 4 appeals. If they have not been proven innocent by then, they are not going to be. I also believe that violent criminals should be executed. Ex. Someone who attempts to kill someone, but isn't even smart enough to do that right. It would be a real treat if the victims' family was allowed to administer the sentence. I know in my case it would have been enjoyable.

 

So gentlemen I guess ze guillotine is out of ze question?... Brother(I could be french)Glen

 

That seems more expensive to me.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Down here south of the border there is no death penalty. So as a preacher I had to prove that the death penalty was Biblical and from the New Testament. So I went to Romans 13:1-4 and told them the sword was not used just to spank people a sword is used to kill people therefore capital punishment is in the New Testament and approved of by God.

Also down here it is illegal to have a gun. I wish the guy who shot in the air a few years ago would have known that! Which guy? The one whose bullet landed on the hood of my car just three feet from where I was standing!

 

I am asking if this is the cost per year for those spending life w/o parole in prison, or is this for the entire life of the prisoner.
I said this is the cost per person. That would be a lifetime cost.

Also, it seems a little dishonest to me for you to say that this is the dollar figure of what it cost to put someone to death when even you admit that nobody has actually been put to death.
I didn't say no one has been put to death. I said that execution is carried out in Sacramento for all of the state.

Are you saying that this amount of money is to pay for the incarceration of the prisoner untill they are executed...
Duh!!!! That's what you asked for, isn't it?

...After they are convicted, if there is grounds for appeal, let them appeal once, maybe twice, and then execute them.
So a person convicted of the death panalty is not allowed to appeal as many times as someone not on the death penalty? That's unequal justice.

You know as well as I do that Republican does not equal conservative anymore.
You're as good at branding the word "liberal" as McCarthy was at branding the word "Communist".

Manson was sentenced to life in prison. I know this as I have watched documentaries where he has been rejected for parole time and time again.
You're incorrect. While Manson is currently serving a life sentence, he was sentenced to the death penalty as I stated earlier.

[ December 16, 2002, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

Oops!!! Your right about Marin County. Not the first time I've inadvertantly confused the two.... sorry. But yes, all state executions occur there.