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To be honest Josh, I don't even know why I try debating you. This is twice you've tried build a case on what other people do or have done...It's completely irrelevent..lets stick to the topic, and for crying out loud, try backing up some of your thoughts with Scripture! ...well that might be asking a little too much, but just try!!

To start off the Holy Spirit is a gentleman, he usually doesn't "speak loudly". Instead he lays things on your heart. I think he's more concerned about guiding us away from sin than he is concerned about social issues.

As for the basis of Faith - Don't agree with me I'd much rather see you agree with GOD'S WORD for once. For crying out loud, Ground your life in God's Word and quit trying to run your own life. Honestly, I can't even fathom how someone who claims to know Christ, could be SOOOO deceived about homosexuality and sin in general. It baffles me to no end!

[ October 26, 2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: AdoptedByGod ]

 

Here we go again with this "judge not" crap. The Word of God has already judged the homosexual calling them an "abomination." Rolf Szabo had a legitimate, not to mention, scripturally correct (SC) complaint.

Main Entry: abom·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: &-"bä-m&-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : something abominable
2 : extreme disgust and hatred : LOATHING

(Webster's Online)

8441

tow`ebah {to-ay-baw'} or to`ebah {to-ay-baw'}
act part of 8581; TWOT - 2530a; n f

AV - abomination 113, abominable thing 2, abominable 2; 117

1) a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable
1a) in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages)
1b) in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)

(Strong's)

Russ <><

 

Well, Murphy, the problem is when you have people who don't believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, it is very easy for them to pick & choose what parts they believe & what parts they don't choose to believe. The Bible & what it says should be the basis for discussion.

It's kinda like witnessing to JW. They have their own JW Bible translation which is different from KJV. Therefore, you end up having a discussion that goes in circles because you haven't agreed from the outset which version of the Bible you are going to base your beliefs on. Same applies here, unfortunately.

 

For everybodies info. Such statements as the above is meant to futher brain wash non-christians and christians who comes on this board and read the post here. He isn't concerned with the truth or trying to help people who is in the prison of the homosexual lifestyle. His agenda here to is to promote in any way he can that Homosexuality is not a sin. The statements he make does not even have to be true for his agenda to passed off to the un-expecting pawn who reads what he says. But the thought is planted and his agenda is accomplished!

God tells us that such - But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker sore..

 

So it is your opinion that anyone that is ok that their company sponsoring a Homosexual Day or week is not a Christian.

Since you have not disagreed with Rolf's actions, are we to assume that you would advocate all Christians acting in the same manner as he? And if they are not disgusted or do not act in the same manner, that you doubt they are Christians?

Please clairfy your stand as to Rolf's actions and your opinion of Christians who may find themselves in that position and choose not to act as he did. Also what action you would have taken in the same situation. Untold thousands of Christians face what he did in their corporate jobs.

What would Jesus do? Fire off 1000 emails with that message?

[ October 27, 2002, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

From the New Testament:

Acts 10
13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

God did away with the “unclean” foods, as recorded in the New Testament.

Romans 1
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

God still calls homosexuality sin, as recorded in the New Testament.

I can’t believe that the “you can’t eat certain foods” argument is still being used.

 

Let's not cloud the issues, Joshua. Actually, there weren't many Baptist slave holders because most of them weren't wealthy enough to own slaves. Nonetheless, there were Baptists who did own slaves. Were they wrong in that matter? Yes, because they were blinded by their culture rather than being guided by Scripture on the issue. There were also white ministers who supported segregation because they were also blinded by their culture rather than being guided by Scripture.

You neglect to mention, however, that many ministers worked for "equality" during the Civil Rights era and that many ministers worked to end slavery.

So, please don't try to evade the real issue at hand. Scripture condemns sexual immorality, including homosexuality. If you support homosexuality, it is because you have been blinded by the culture rather than being guided by the Scriptures.

Rev. G

 

The IPA lists seven basic propaganda devices

Name-Calling — People with questions are labeled “homophobes,” as though they run on fear rather than reason.

Glittering Generalities — While Name-Calling leads followers to condemn without thinking, the Glittering Generality manipulates them to approve without examining the evidence. Words like “tolerance” and “diversity” become banners for those who refuse to practice these virtues themselves.

Transfer — Gay activists have borrowed legitimacy by allying themselves with racial minorities, bypassing careful analysis of some very real distinctions.

Testimonial — Think Rosie O’Donnell.

Euphemisms — Words and images can make unpleasant realities more palatable—as in “That’s a Family!” It is possible to teach kindness and respect without such inauthentic spin.

Plain Folks — Think of the Two-Mommy and Two-Daddy households in “That’s a Family” who testify to being just like every other family.

Bandwagon — Presented with a paradigm of “tolerance” or “homophobia” many jump on the bandwagon without closely examining the real issues or the ramifications for the future.

Propagandists use emotions to push and pull, using fear to steer attention away from real discussion and toward a quick solution—the one they want.

Homosexual groups use classic propaganda techniques

 

Me neither, it's called grasping at straws.

Does anyone recall God destroying two cities over shrimp, crab, and bacon?

Scripture, please.

 

How pray tell, can one excise their "sin of choice" from the list of sins the Bible says leads to death? Do you claim a personal revelation from God that contradicts what He has already said on the matter? Is this just an opinion? How do you justify your belief from an exegetical standpoint? What if I said "I don't believe sex with a goat is a sin?" Or "I don't believe consensual sex with my sister is a sin." Does that make it ok?

Russ <><

 

He could have sent that email to just 1 person and the results would have been the same.

 

So it is your opinion that anyone that is ok that their company sponsoring a Homosexual Day or week is not a Christian. I think the evidence would tip the scales in favor of them being lost, yes.

Since you have not disagreed with Rolf's actions, are we to assume that you would advocate all Christians acting in the same manner as he? That is not my place to say because each person has different convictions, if God told Rolf to do that then he has acted properly. Some people may not have as strong a faith as he does.

And if they are not disgusted or do not act in the same manner, that you doubt they are Christians? No I never said that either, where the Bible does not specifically state right and wrong we have convictions, your problem is that you claim a conviction status for homosexuality even though it is clearly sinful.

Please clairfy your stand as to Rolf's actions and your opinion of Christians who may find themselves in that position and choose not to act as he did. Also what action you would have taken in the same situation. Untold thousands of Christians face what he did in their corporate jobs.

I think I have clarified my stand and if in his place I might send the message to my superiors only. But we don't know he may have sent a discreet message that was disregarded before he sent the message to everyone.

What would Jesus do? Fire off 1000 emails with that message?</font>[/QUOTE]I think that if Jesus had been there in the flesh that he could have melted their hard heart by showing them the results of sin. One day we will stand before Him and see the nail scarred hands and on that day if not before even you will be forced to admit that this abomination you call a lifestyle is sin. Rolf is free from the blood of those who worked at kodak because he told them the truth, what about those you have misled by your false doctrine.
Murph

 

All this agenda about homosexuality being acceptable flies in the face of what Scripture says and makes this board quite dirty. Especially since it happens thread, after thread, after thread, after thread, ad nauseum infinitum....

Same with pro-abortion, murder of the unborn. An affront, I say.

 

I agree with Sheeagle. I can't recommend this board to any of our church members because of things like this!

 

Perhaps this board is an excellent example of the prophesied apostacy of the "church" at the end times; (NOTE: not "Church")

If this fact can be recognized and clarified, this board can be a good learning experience!

 

SheEagle,

So, on a discussion board, you would prefer that we baptists who are deeply offened by the strong anti-gay rhetoric simply allow it to slip by? You would prefer that seekers not know that this is a controversial issue among Christians?

Joshua

 

Our "rhetoric" is anti-sin and anti-abomination. We proudly stand against the sins that nailed our Lord to the cross. The issue really isn't much of a controvery. In 99.9% of peoples minds this is a settled issue. Homosexuality is a horrible sin. People who think sodomy and homosexuality are ok are simply wrong. We will not tolerate anyone telling us otherwise, because as Christians we absolutely love the truth, even when the truth hurts. Our Anti-Gay stance is against sin, not the sinner.

In closing the debate about this should be wrapped up and the lies being planted here should simply be ignored. Certain people in here are doing an incredible dis-service to the Kingdom of God and to Christ.

 

Good post, Adopted.

I am starting a new thread. This seems like a new topic.

 

EK, been buying it around 28 and selling at 31 to 33 for about a year and a half now.
Its a good rolling play.
Try it you might like Kodak better after all
Only slightly (TIC)