News: Kodak Fires Employee Over 'Coming Out' Memo

bb_baptist · Nov 2, 2002

Some interesting posts posted on Kodak's invesment board at Yahoo

by: soliscriptura
Msg: 13323

It is not possible to create a workplace where employees feel valued and are committed to the company's success, while they know that, if they do not toe the company line on sexual deviance, their job security is in jeopardy.
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http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7077616&tid=ek&sid=7077616&mid=13323

bb_baptist · Nov 2, 2002

The goal of "diversity" programs should be to promote unity in the workplace by means of mutual respect, cooperation and the toleration of differences irrelevant to the workplace.

Programs that blatantly disregard the beliefs of individuals will create an aversive atmosphere with chronically low employee morale.

Justice is violated, however, when employers force employees to choose between conscience and career.
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http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7077616&tid=ek&sid=7077616&mid=13324

bb_baptist · Nov 2, 2002

It is ironic that diversity programs that emphasize toleration as a core value, can be blatantly intolerant of those whose morale or religious beliefs do not allow them to endorse homosexuality.

Diversity programs must not disregard the values and religious commitments of employees. Requiring them to accept values contrary to their own, and which are irrelevant to job performance, is simply another form of discrimination and intolerance.
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http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7077616&tid=ek&sid=7077616&mid=13325

tiggertoddy · Nov 2, 2002

Way to go for someone who stands up for decency in the workplace. Homosexuality is WRONG, and, to those who have been brainwashed by GLAD, homosexuality is a choice. The man who was fired made the right stand, and more blessings to him for standing up for morality. He may have been fired, but, i believe he pleased the Lord in making the statement he did.

As far as tolerance for "different" view: I don't tolerate grandstanding of homosexuality, as one of the mans former co-workers did, any more than I tolerate bratty little snots who usurp parental authority because they think it's cool. I don't tolerate rape, child molesting, drugs, or booze..Am I a bigot because I do this? I am never politically correct, and don't ever care to be. Sin is sin, and the fired guy made sure that people knew that. I applaud him, but shake my head in disgust to those who believe that homosexuality, to ANY degree, isn't a sin. Homosexuality goes against God's plan. Any deviation from that plan is a sin. I don't feel sorry for those that grandstand their sick lifestyles in public. those that do, should put their lifestyles back in the closet, where they belong. If you aren't ashamed of being a drunk, a child molester, rapist, or sexual deviant, you should be. God is.

[ November 02, 2002, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: tiggertoddy ]

bb_baptist · Nov 5, 2002

It appears that Kodak's CEO filed a statement to sell Kodak shares worth $267,711 on Oct 28, 2002, just a few days after the story of Mr. Szabo's firing made WND.

http://biz.yahoo.com/t/e/ek.html

Two more officers of the company also filed their intent to sell close to $300,000 worth of shares each. One of them for the first time.

They know something most investors don't know.

bb_baptist · Nov 7, 2002

I received the following through a newsletter:

Homosexuality’s rapid rise from unmentionable vice to celebrated minority
status is part of a campaign to subvert Judeo-Christian culture.

"We [homosexual activists] have gone underground and we have people in every one of the Religious Right’s organizations. We’re on their mailing lists. We’re reading everything they’re putting out. We think the words from their mouths trickle down into violence. And when our evidence reaches a critical mass, we’re going to use the best attorneys in this country to bring a class action suit in 50 states to have it stopped." — Homosexual activist Mel White, Larry King Live, August 13, 1993

Is it possible that someday it may be a crime to oppose homosexuality? Could
the Holy Bible eventually be designated "hate literature," and preachers be
accused of "hate crimes" for condemning the practice from their pulpits?
Will parents be forbidden to teach their children to abhor homosexuality?
This all seems improbable, or even impossible — but as the case of Rolf
Szabo illustrates, the homosexual movement now has the power to punish those
unwilling to "celebrate" that lifestyle.

Prior to his firing in October, Rolf Szabo had worked for Eastman Kodak for
23 years. By all accounts Szabo, a resident of Greece, New York, was a
capable and conscientious employee. But Szabo discovered that under the new
workplace dogma of "diversity," job performance is less important than
displaying correct attitudes.

In early October, according to Rochester ABC television affiliate WOKR,
"Kodak’s diversity group sent out an e-mail asking employees to ‘be
supportive’ of colleagues who choose to come out on Gay and Lesbian
Coming-Out Day." Replying to the message, Szabo tersely told Kodak’s
sensitivity commissars to stop sending him e-mails that he considered
"disgusting and offensive." "I don’t need this to do my job," Szabo
explained. "It has nothing to do with gay [issues]. It could have been any
other topic. It’s just that enough is enough. We really don’t need this to
do our jobs."

According to Szabo, Kodak officials demanded that he sign a letter
renouncing his "homophobic" attitudes. When he refused he was fired. "The
Eastman Kodak Company gives me a paycheck; they don’t own me," Szabo told
WOKR. "I’ll go somewhere else for a paycheck, that’s all."

While extreme, Szabo’s experience is not unique. "Diversity groups" like
Kodak’s are now a standard feature for many major corporations. Corporate
workshops and seminars intended to encourage "sensitivity" regarding
homosexuality are becoming commonplace, and those who climb the corporate
ladder frequently find that advancement depends as much on their supposedly
progressive attitudes as it does on their education, abilities, and
performance.

"Gay-friendly" policies are in place in hundreds of major corporations. The
Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the country’s largest and most influential
homosexual lobby, compiles a "Corporate Equality Index," rating 319
companies (including 208 in the Fortune 500) on their workplace policies
toward homosexuals. Nearly 70 percent of the companies surveyed provide
"domestic partner" benefits for homosexual "couples." And 293 of those
companies "have nondiscrimination policies that include sexual orientation,"
reported the October 29th issue of The Advocate.

The Gay Financial Network (GFN) compiles a similar list called the GFN 50,
"a comprehensive list of the most powerful and gay-friendly publicly traded
companies." To qualify for that list, "Each company had to have a policy in
place stating that it does not discriminate on the basis of sexual
orientation," provides benefits to "same-sex domestic partners," and has
suitable policies regarding "diversity training" and "a ban on any negative
stereotypes based on sexual orientation...." Financial services giant
American Express (which mandates employee "diversity training") sits atop
the GFN 50, with such corporate heavyweights as Walt Disney Co., Microsoft,
Xerox, IBM, Hewlett-Packard, and Citigroup also ranking in the top 10.

"I think the main issue lies in a corporate organization trying to force
people to believe certain things with mandatory-type seminars and
workshops," commented a Motorola employee in an August wire service
interview. Speaking anonymously, the individual criticized the global
electronics firm for imposing a series of mandatory "Homophobia in the
Workplace" workshops. An employee at the Palo Alto headquarters of the
Hewlett-Packard computer firm told THE NEW AMERICAN that the corporation
similarly emphasizes "promoting inclusion." The individual cited a recent
corporate newsletter that warned: "Any comments or conduct relating to a
person’s race, gender, religion, disability, age, sexual orientation, or
ethnic background that fail to respect the dignity and feeling of the
individual are unacceptable." (Emphasis added.)

"Diversity training is becoming mandatory catechism class for the church of
the politically correct," notes Attorney Jordan Lorence of the Alliance
Defense Fund. In post-modern America, it’s not enough merely to tolerate
homosexuality and similar perversions; these destructive vices must be
embraced in the name of "celebrating diversity." As Rolf Szabo can testify,
"non-discrimination" policies intended to make workplaces "gay-friendly" can
lead to unemployment for non-conformists — a sobering consideration for
professionals trying to find traction in tough economic times. Many
Americans who espouse traditional moral views disapprove of homosexuality
but prefer a "live and let live" approach. But Szabo’s case offers just one
of numerous illustrations that partisans of the homosexual revolution aren’t
willing to respect that proposed cease-fire in the culture war.

Trotsky famously remarked: "You may not be interested in war, but war is
interested in you." Similarly, it could be said that while you might not be
interested in the Lavender Revolution, the Revolution is interested in you —
and your children.
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/11-18-2002/vo18no23_vice.htm

AF Guy N Paradise · Dec 2, 2002

Anyone heard the latest on this case? Wasn't the fired employee going to get a lawyer and try to do something?

wjrighter · Dec 2, 2002

just wondering: (tried to read all 8 pages just could'nt) do you think kodak would let people that work there have christian coming out day? or for that matter ,baptist, or others?

stubbornkelly · Dec 2, 2002

Kodak didn't come up with the day. It's "National Coming Out Day," not "Coming Out Day at Kodak." Kodak simply put a memo out there informing its employees of the day and how they might handle any coworkers' coming out.

Offhand, I can't think of a reason Christians would need a national coming out day. If you want to get picky, I'd say there are plenty of days that Christians get to proclaim their Christianity rather publicly, same with heterosexuality (Valentine's Day comes to mind). We live in a Christocentric and heterocentric society - Christianity and heterosexuality are assumed.

I understand what point you're trying to make, but it doesn't make logical sense to me.

just-want-peace · Dec 2, 2002

I understand what point you're trying to make, but it doesn't make logical sense to me.
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More to the point, why should a homo want to "COME OUT", unless he's sub-consciously crying for help?

What does his bedroom choice have to do with anything, except HIS BEDROOM CHOICE?

I'm certainly not interested in knowing his dark secrets, and I doubt very seriously that many others are either?

stubbornkelly · Dec 2, 2002

I'll admit, I've never fully understood the whole idea of a national day, myself, but I do know that coming out isn't about calling for help -- it's about stating truth rather than keeping a central part about oneself hidden. These days, fewer people have an actual coming out -- they were never "in" anything to begin with. But it's more about a commemorative day. Just like any other commemorative day, of which many are celebrated in this country.

C.S. Murphy · Dec 2, 2002

And we hear Pilate saying "what is truth"
Murph

C.S. Murphy · Dec 2, 2002

I had forgot about this one, It's been almost a month. I believe it has been around long enough. I will close it down first thing in the morning.
Murph

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