Newt: 'Three nuclear weapons are a second Holocaust'

[Pastor Larry]

How could you know you aren't interested enough to find out...

I can't, which is what I said. And you can't either because your little internet research simply will not do the job. So we don't know if they are lying. Fortunately, my hope doesn't lie in politicians telling the truth.

Didn't God call you to be on the side of truth?

Yes, and he gave it to us in his Word, which is what I preach.

Hope you enjoy them.

Thanks. I enjoy most of them. Some are hard reading.

I don't expect politicians to go around fabricating and hyping things to get people to go along with wars they want to start.

That's politics for you.

Well I do know what their words are because I've read them and listened to them so can how you, a person that freely admits to not caring not seeing and not hearing them tell me a person who has that I am "strange" for pointing out where they have lied about their intentions and plans in the past?

Because you don't konw whether or not they are lying.

Where have I lied Larry. Prove it or stop the circular logic it's boring.

You said I hang on their every word. That's not true. I don't even know their every word. I pay very little attention to them.

Larry you already admited that you don't care don't listen and don't watch what they are doing so what have you got to contribute to this disscusion other than the usual "trust the government" drivel?

I am not saying "trust the government." My contribution is the biblical perspective of not living for this world. If we had people that were more concerned about Christ and the gospel, and less concerned about PNAC and neo-con'ism we woud be better off.

Maybe you should make an attempt to educate yourself on the facts before you start denying them and making dogmatic statements about others who have...mkay?

I didn't make any dogmatic statements. I didn't deny any of these statements. Perhaps you should start telling the truth about this.

Why are you here taking up bandwidth if you don't think it's important?

I was encouraging us to have a more biblical perspective. Why do you care about this so much? Is your hope really tied up in what the neo-cons do?

 

[poncho]

And you can't either because your little internet research simply will not do the job. So we don't know if they are lying. Fortunately, my hope doesn't lie in politicians telling the truth.

I dunno about that PL. I have found enough MSM articles and documents using the neocons own written words to debunk a good share of their made for tv propaganda. For instance...lately they have been super hyping cold war themes such as their now very popular "nuclear holocaust" predictions. Exactly what they said they were going to do to "anticipate, manage and constrain our reactions".

Where is that written? http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

To anticipate U.S. reactions and plan ways to manage and constrain those reactions, Prime Minister Netanyahu can formulate the policies and stress themes he favors in language familiar to the Americans by tapping into themes of American administrations during the Cold War which apply well to Israel. If Israel wants to test certain propositions that require a benign American reaction, then the best time to do so is before November, 1996.

Maybe you don't care if the American people have been manipulated into sending our militaryand money off to fight wars on the whims of a few people in another country's regime but I do. If their plans were so righteous as they claim then they would have no need to "anticipate manage and constrain our reactions".

If they were honest honorable men...

They would tell us the truth and give us all the information we need to make an informed decision instead of trying to scare us into attacking the next target on their long hit list.

 

[Pastor Larry]

I dunno about that PL. I have found enough MSM articles and documents using the neocons own written words to debunk a good share of their made for tv propaganda.

No doubt. But there is also another side the story. And what's more important, it's not that big of a deal.

If their plans were so righteous as they claim then they would have no need to "anticipate manage and constrain our reactions".

I don't think that is true. Good leadership anticipates responses and tries to help people work through them ahead of time. They may not be honorable, but your conclusion here doesn't follow. We are in the process of presenting some major change plans to our church and we are trying to anticiate what the repsonse will be and how to manage that response.

uIf they were honest honorable men...

They are politicians.

They would tell us the truth and give us all the information we need to make an informed decision instead of trying to scare us into attacking the next target on their long hit list.

You are assuming that they are not. The truth is that you do not know. You say they are hiding their intentions. Yet you have gone and found this info out. So how are they hiding it if even you (the normal citizen) can find it? If they are trying to hide it, they are pretty inept. It sounds to me like your issue not them hiding it, but them failing to convince you that it is necessary. That's fine, but that's your objection, it seems to me.

In the end, I have a higher priority than this kind of stuff.

 

[LadyEagle]

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[LadyEagle]

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