Nice Photo Op

Wouldn't it be nice to have a camera to follow these bawl-babies around, taking pictures of their doin's. I wonder how many would be embarrased.

 

Well if you put a camera on me.... remember that the camera adds 10 lbs at least!

 

I'm just curious as to whether or not they would be found doing something worse than being photographed exiting a gay-friendly church.

 

What surprises me is that some Christians who plan to vote for President Bush feel compelled to defend him regardless of his actions. Why can't they simply say they disapprove of some his actions but still plan to vote for him regardless of his flaws?

 

I disapprove of some of President Bush's actions but still plan to vote for him regardless of his flaws.

 

Way to go, Gershom!

 

Ken,

I have never said Bush was perfect. He does plenty of things I don't agree with.

But I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon to criticize him everytime someone on this BB sees him doing something they don't approve of or understand.

 

Yes, here was my OP:

im·pen·i·tent - adj. - Not penitent; unrepentant

Yes, I am saying that it is wrong for a church to allow anyone to join who is unrepentant of their sin, and knowingly living a sinful lifestyle.

 

tragic pizza, I have already stated that I am voting for Bush. You need to back off and get a clue.

Bush has openly stated that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Is that the God you worship? Not me. Is that an error? Yes.

Bush is not anti-homosexual. Are you? Is God?

The idea that Bush would enter a "church" that is so full of liberal theology just underscores his weak theology.

As a president, I will stand for him. As a relious man, I believe he is not saved (based on his theology which is something I can and should judge).

 

Wow. We have Christians saying that homosexuality is no worse than any other sin. Things are getting rough here in Laodicea, aren't they?

 

From our Christian perspective yes - Homosexuality is worse than telling a white lie.

But are many people in Hell who were not practicing homosexuals and never committed a homosexual act.

When Christians start categorizing sin they start accomodating all sin and minimizing some sins.

 

No sin should be minimized. Even if your Presidential idol panders to its promoters.

 

Yeah, but I prefer to let God judge Sinners rather than doing it myself. I find that I'm always messing it up and getting it wrong.

 

So we should allow practicing impenitent homosexuals to join our churches, because we don't want to be judging sinners?

 

Nobody ever said that - where'd you get that idea?

Last time I checked - None of the Presidential Candidates had tried to join any church!

 

And you need to thicken your skin. If you have a position, you best be adult enough to defend that position, or remain silent.

One that is common to believers these days. Don't believe me? Check out beyondbelief.org. If you don't think this kind of belief is a prevalent one in the body of Christ, you are mistaken. The fight isn't wit W in this, the fight is with ourselves.

No, on both counts.

Well, since Baptists did so well shutting Disney down from the outside, I gues we should all use your example and stand outside mainline churches throwing stones, right?

Some of us are theologically conservative and involved in liberal churches because we believe God has put is there in order to speak the truth in love.

But I'm sure that is Wrong in your book, because Only The Right Church (tm) Will Get You Saved, right?

So unless someone embraces the precisely correct theology at all times, they aren't saved? So the day you were saved, you knew all there was to know? So you never have, at any point in time, had an errant theological belief that someone corrected you upon? Never?

Well, I admit that I have. My theological understanding has grown over the years, and my faith in Christ has matured even in recent days. There was a time I might, too, have made a statement like W's, but loving people corrected me.

(By the way, don't try and tell me that this is not what you were saying. It clearly is what you are saying, and that is sad.)

DD, you need to realize that, in our postReformation culture, no one is going to adhere to the precise theology of any denomination or group of believers. There are important core beliefs that we must all adhere to, but thanks to the society we live in, both inside and outside of church, not every believer is as solidly versed in those core beliefs than they should be.

Condemning someone to Hell because of this is, in my considered opinion, a little ignorant. Pray for Bush. Work to try and educate him theologically on these important points of faith. But disimissing him out-of-hand as an unrepentant, unsaved sinner is at best Pharaisical.

 

Yeah, because you go less to Hell for telling a lie than being homosexual. Gee I forgot about that part of the Bible...

 

tragic, you didn't understand a thing I said. I will not waste my time anymore with you.

 

Actually someone did say that: