Nicene Creed & Baptist beliefs

For similar misguided reasons.

Yes, even the Waldenses eventually fought back.

800AD? I said that this was the point of apostacy when the murders began. Rome had already been courted by the world political system for centuries starting with Constantine.

This seduction which drew the Church of Rome (and all the other local churches) from the pure doctrine of Christ began back in the days of the apostles.

...and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 john 4:3.

...For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:7a

HankD

 

So basically all of this thread could be summed up with "Baptists don't believe the Nicean creed." Thanks for the waste of time.

[ August 08, 2002, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: SolaScriptura ]

 

Dear Trying you wrote:

Why then is there such disagreement between so many, all claiming to be led by the same Holy Spirit?

Are there many Truths and not just one Truth?

Are some deceived and not rerally led by the Holy Spirit? If so, how do you know who is led by the Spirit and who is not?

Try it for yourself. Start a thread on a very basic element of faith, such as "Is Baptism necessary?", and then watch the fur fly.

What you propose may sound good, but the history of Christianity since the Reformation, and the invention of "sola scriptura" by a man, shows it to be seriously flawed. There must be a million different competing beliefs springing from the same Bible and the same Holy Spirit. Is this what Jesus meant by being as one?

my response:

I agree with you whole-heartedly.

During about the first 500 years of the faith believers were truly one in Christ. But paganism began to creep in - especially about the time of Constantine. The doctrines of eternal damnation, hell and losing one's salvation are borrowed from Greek and Babylonian religions. This can be easily researched in any library and on websites that lift up the universal reconciliation of all people through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

Those who call on the Name of Jesus in Spirit and in Truth will be persons who are seeking to find out what love is and how God is working to perfect His people in it. They will be curious about spiritual matters and try to apply what they learn to the details of their life. If they are honest with themselves they will admit that "religion" doesn't work for them. They will find that there is a precious relationship to be discovered with God. One based on His love, His work and His Spirit. Not on the doctrines of men or the traditions of men.

Our God loves His enemies. Leaves the 99 and goes after the stray. He is faithful. He is all-mighty and sovereign over all of His creation - He loves the world. For God so loved the world.......

Amid all the chatter and discussion and gnat straining, there are those who in their hearts want more than a formula to follow. "That they may know Him" is their heart's cry. And God hears them and gives them Himself. This, in my opinion, is far, far better than any business/religious organization can offer.

After Jesus' resurrection he met the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. He spoke with them for a while and He was gone. They remarked, "Did not our hearts burn within us as He opened up the scriptures." This to me is an indication of people who are aware that Christ speaks to them today. There is a joy that accompanies the study of the scripture and fellowship with other believers. You will know it when you see it.

In Him, Diane

 

Not a waste SS, you did learn that didn't you?

Also, lets just say they don't believe the whole thing.

BTW did anyone post it or a URL to it.

there is more than one version.

HankD

[ August 08, 2002, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]