Nickelodeon to air pro-homosexual kids show

Post it,
It is interesting that you quote 1 Cor 13. For in it is says love does not boast in evil but rejoices in the truth.

Cdouglas,
Well, to be honest it would not surprise me if pedophiles were allowed to teach on tv. I have heard of show about a man who "contacts" the dead, uh can you say, demons. And one who contacts pets minds through pyshic means. And what about all the shows that portray living a homosexual life as normal? We have no cable and I sure like it that way!

HCL

 

Since homosexuality is not evil, I'm not sure what your point is; unless you think my standing up for the homosexual is evil.

 

Since homosexuality is not evil, I'm not sure what your point is; unless you think my standing up for the homosexual is evil. </font>[/QUOTE]I know we have been through this with you before but this error cannot go un-checked. It is your opinion that homosexuality is not wrong but the Bible teaches something very different:

Directly- Romans 1:24-27; I Corinthians 6:9-11; Leviticus 18:22, 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:17; Jude 7

Anticipating the argument that these only condemn ritualistic or 'un-natural' homosexuality, here are some passages dealing with sex outside of marriage- Romans 1:29; I Cor 5:1, 6:13, 6:17, 7:2, 10:8; II Cor 12:21; Gal 5:19; Eph 5:3; Col 3:5; I Thess 4:3.

The Bible explicitly defines marriage as the covenant relationship between a man and a woman with a primary purpose being pro-creation. The fact that homosexuals engage in sex outside of marriage condemns the practice regardless of whether your arguments against the passages specifically dealing with homosexuality have merit or not.

In short, homosexuality is sin. Sin is evil. Homosexuals need to be reached with the gospel. They, like all other sinners, must repent. The first step of repentance is acknowledging the sin. Your "standing up for the homosexual" is a barrier to their repentance.

 

Since homosexuality is not evil, I'm not sure what your point is; unless you think my standing up for the homosexual is evil. </font>[/QUOTE]Could you please clarify what you mean by "standing up for the homosexual"?
A homosexual can get saved as well as the next person if they repent and turn from there sin. No sin will enter into heaven. But if they are sincere about there conversion they will put off the old man and become new. They will have a new nature. The Holy Spirit will guide them into all truth.
We are all sinners saved by the grace of God.

By the way, why did God refer to this particular sin as an abomination?
It goes completely against nature. God created woman for man. Saying they are born that way is a lie from the devil. That's like saying a murderer is born a murderer. Somewhere along the way they were seduced by old satan.
But the good news is they can be saved!! Jesus died for all sinners.

In Christ
Susan

 

Most likely for the same reason that eating tuna, shrimp, lobster, catfish, and many other sea creatures where an abomination, it was not a healthy activity. This was God's way of keeping man safe from sickness and disease.

The same applies to all forms of promiscuous sex. It is not healthy. I to do not condone that homosexuals or heterosexuals have multiple partners, or any sexual contact before marriage. During these times in the Bible, homosexuality was mainly practiced as a prostitution type business.

It was not accepted like it is today and it pushed the "born homosexual" into a life of one person after another, mostly married men (gay). Times have changed, we now know what months not to eat shrimp or shell fish in. We are ok with eating scavenger fish etc. Neither is an abomination to God any longer.

Well science says that God or as their term (nature) created some men for other men and some women for other women. It is their nature from birth. You can deny science if you want, I know the early church had a very difficult time accepting that the earth revolved around the sun. And imprisoned Galileo to keep him quiet.

Galileo believed in the inerrancy of the scriptures. He asserted, the church interpreted the Bible incorrectly. Galileo was refuting the fallacy of the church being able to state categorically something as true based on their interpretation, something which was obviously (to him, anyway) not true.

The church's position was as follows:
The Bible was the inerrant word of God.
Ecclesiastes 1:4 and 5: One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to its place where it ariseth.
Psalms 92: "He has made the world firm, not to be moved."
Psalms 103: "You fixed the earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever."
And how about in Joshua 10:12: "Then spake Joshua to Jehovah in the day when Jehovah delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon."
To which any red-blooded Christian would've likely responded, "I agree 100%."

In effect, you are saying that Satan is getting into the fetus in the womb and creating them to be homosexual, your argument leaves a lot to be desired. Only God can create a fetus through in its mothers womb.

Saying that someone chooses to be homosexual is a lie from the devil.

[ May 31, 2002, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

I didn't say that Satan entered into the womb. I said somewhere in there life. How can you call yourself a christian and condone homosexual activity?
It makes me sick how homosexuals are always protesting for their rights. Yes, they have the right to live as humans and to live by the laws of our land. But when they get married, adopt children, receive benefits from their mate's insurance,etc., it ruffles my feathers.
If God doesn't judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomoarrah.( I'm sure it's not spelled right).

In Christ
Susan

 

Post-It, do you believe it is OK for a man to lie with a man or a woman to lie with a woman?

 

Only if one is homosexual. And only in marriage. I don't condone sex outside of marriage. However, I would not tell someone else (outside my family) how to have a relationship with another. I will let God's hand guide the relationship. Just as scripture teach fornication is wrong, but that doesn't mean sex after marriage is wrong.

I do believe it is a sin for a heterosexual to be with same sex. This is unnatural and a sin. This is what the scriptures teaches when reference to homosexuality.

The bottom line is we differ on interpretation. I have scripture and science to back my argument up. You only have the same people who thought the sun revolved around the earth to back up your interpretation.

[ June 01, 2002, 12:39 AM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

I signed the petition. I have never owned a TV. My wife and I had a verbal prenuptual agreement to never allow television (hellevision)into our home. that was 15 years ago.

1 Corinthians 13:6 statesrefering to charity) "Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;" I choose to rejoice in what God states is truth and I also choose not to rejoice in iniquity. God refers to the act of men with men as an abomination. Abomination is a form of iniquity.

Before my conversion I used to smoke dope and think stupid. If you're not smoking dope then please don't think like a dope smoker. I appreciate this stand against sin. We need to do all we can to preserve the innocence of our children. In my book, any one who is an accomplice to perversion is a pervert too. If you're not a pervert, then please don't attack this effort at what some of us perceive to be as being "valiant for truth".

My intention is not to insult. I am simply trying to make a point. I hope to help some of you get your thinking caps on.

 

Post it,
I have two questions for you.
1.Are you born again?
2. Are you homosexual?

HCL

 

What science? "Science" has been trying to demonstrate a biological cause for homosexuality for about 50 years now. It has been a total waste of time and money. There are no confirmed, repeatable studies that show a genetic or other physical connection.

All sin is chosen. You either choose it in the immediate or you choose it by a series of choices which create attitudes and appetites which may seem natural or uncontrollable... it's called having a heart hardened toward God. God predicts in Romans 1 that the end result of such an attitude is that God turns these people over to a reprobate mind.

I cited scriptures for you earlier. Even if you reject all scripture dealing directly with homosexuality, you still have an insurmountable problem. First, all sex outside of marriage is called sin. Second, the Bible ordains marriage as a covenant relationship between a man and woman... you must prove that God affirms same sex unions. It cannot be by "silent consent" since He was not silent on heterosexual marriage at all.

To compare your views on homosexuality to Galileo's views the universe is ridiculous. His views were based on observable, testable scientific fact... not a social bias.

[ June 01, 2002, 01:44 AM: Message edited by: Scott J ]

 

First of I trust Nick quite a bit, my son watches it a lot and in fact I also enjoy it...nothing Satan oriented on it....there's only one kid show that kind of bugs me but it's nothing wrong. I am sorry but I won't be jumping on this bandwagon over something I don't know the full story over, I would have to know much deeper details to even consider this....even then no promises

karen

 

1st question. I am born again and have been for over 30 years.

2nd question.
I also fight tooth and nail for the right of abortion and show how scripture supports my view on that too. It doesn't mean I have had an abortion, which being a man, would be extremely painful.
So no, I'm not gay.
Because I'm not gay, I feel I can argue a perfectly unbiased argument for the homosexuals. Because I can't have an abortion, I feel that my views there are not in any way compromised either.

These views come from a study of the scripture, prayer and how Jesus would have viewed these issues.

Now, that the personal inquisition is over, may I bring your personal life into the argument? Please answer just question for me.

1. Are you protesting against the homosexual issues so adamantly that it could be that you have questions about yourself being a homosexual or having homosexual issues?

See, these types of personal questions will only lead in circles.
Whether one is or isn't really doesn't help establish what scripture and what Jesus would have us do in regards to this and any other issue.

 

What is worse then the sin of Homosexuality?
Teaching people it's ok to do so.
As it is written,
But whoso shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to stumble,
it is profitable for him that a great millstone should be hanged about his neck,
and that he should be sunk in the depth of the sea.

 

I use this same verse when poeple cause the homosexual to stumble. So be careful, the verse you throw out may come back and hit the real target.

 

You seem to use a lot of verses to promote a sin, what does that in the end make you? Who do you really work for in the first place? You profess to be a christian, but your words are of satan himself!

 

Post it, I am SO disgusted! Claiming the name of my Christ and saying that these are the things he has said and how he would act.
Where in the Bible does it say to hate the sin and not the sinner? Someone point it out to me, because I haven't seen it, and the verse about hating those that hate God seems to be stuck in my head.
HeadCoveredLady, I never really did find Barney a satanic threat to my children, or Little House on the Prairie, or any of the other shows they have seen on television.
Go ahead and throw a fit, and no, I don't have television in my home myself, it just irritates me to no end when people come off so self-righteous over something that they have no business saying is ok for someone else or not. Many knives have been used to commit sin, I still keep knives in my kitchen! *gasp*
Gina

 

I'm not sure if this discussion is headed anywhere that we haven't been before.

Post-It and I (alongside much of contemporary biblical scholarship) say the scant biblical evidence is not enough to demonstrate that homosexuality is a sin and that in fact it might run contrary to the ministry of Christ to say so.

Many others here ask how we can call "sin" acceptable, trotting out the same Scriptures we've discussed here a hundredfold.

In the long-run, if Post-It and I are wrong, you'll have Christians whose "sin" was loving someone of the same sex in heaven, grateful that the blood of Jesus covers even their ignorance and confusion on that issue. I can't imagine, considering the myriad known and unknown sins for which we are forgiven, that God will be terribly upset.

Joshua

 

Sorry had to correct your statement to reflect the truth.

What God is upset about is the people who promote sin. You aren't really saying "homosexuality isn't a sin" you are promoting it as such, thus you are taking new christians and telling them it's ok for you to do this. You are then doing satan's job for him! So you are the ministers of satan. Plain and simple!