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NIV & New Age Movement by Al Lacey
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If God provided many versions, why did they disagree each other in a few thousand times? How accurate are their disagreement in MVs? NIV is better than NASB? NASB is better than NASB? CEV is better than NIV or NASB? That point is arguable. However does God need this arguable point between them?
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These efforts, just like the KJV, are subject to man's fallibility.
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IN this you are 100% wrong and deny the power and providence of God Almighty over his very own words, and denial of his promises concerning them. The origionals were penned by fallible men, but God saw to it that his words were preserved as He desired, and has to this very day. If you believe that your Bible has mistakes in it, other than spelling, punctuation, and printers errors, then you have no final authority to lay claim to and your faith must be in vain. For it is in the scriptures that we learn of Jesus Christ. If God can sustain this universe and the air we breath for hundreds of years, HE ALSO can and does preserve HIS OWN WORDS for HE tells us he will and that they are everlasting. NOt the message, the WORDS. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. If God did not have the power and providence of His word over fallible man concerning his words, we believe in a powerless, uncaring and lying God. I believe in God ALmighty who spoke Let there be light, and there was light. There is power in each and every single word of God, no matter what language, because HE CREATED ALL LANGUAGES AND HAS THE POWER TO SEE TO IT THAT IT BE TRANSLATED IN HIS WILL AND ACCURATELY 100% REGARDLESS OF FALLIBLE MEN.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
These efforts, just like the KJV, are subject to man's fallibility.
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IN this you are 100% wrong and deny the power and providence of God Almighty over his very own words, and denial of his promises concerning them. The origionals were penned by fallible men, but God saw to it that his words were preserved as He desired, and has to this very day. If you believe that your Bible has mistakes in it, other than spelling, punctuation, and printers errors, then you have no final authority to lay claim to and your faith must be in vain. For it is in the scriptures that we learn of Jesus Christ. If God can sustain this universe and the air we breath for hundreds of years, HE ALSO can and does preserve HIS OWN WORDS for HE tells us he will and that they are everlasting. NOt the message, the WORDS. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. If God did not have the power and providence of His word over fallible man concerning his words, we believe in a powerless, uncaring and lying God. I believe in God ALmighty who spoke Let there be light, and there was light. There is power in each and every single word of God, no matter what language, because HE CREATED ALL LANGUAGES AND HAS THE POWER TO SEE TO IT THAT IT BE TRANSLATED IN HIS WILL AND ACCURATELY 100% REGARDLESS OF FALLIBLE MEN.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Trotter
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OK...correct me if I am reading this wrong...but it seems to me...that Michelle just said that if we were saved using anything besides a KJV, which is God's perfect word in English , then we are deceived and still in our sins (uh, that means we ain't saved).
Sorry, Michelle. I do not appreciate that in the least.
In Christ,
Trotter
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So, you would rather we blindly follow a group on English Catholics, who blindly followed an excommunicated priest? Sure! No problem! We can all just rip out our eyes and happily follow Jungle Jimmy Jones or Davey Koresh down the yellow brick road...I mean, they use the all-holy KJV, so they MUST be " Men of God ", right?
OK, now, everybody. Let's check our brains at the door. No need for them now, since we have the word of a group of 300 year dead Anglican scholars...
In Christ,
Trotter
Trotter
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OK, everybody pause for a second, and just think about this for a minute.
All this hullabaloo about the NIV and the New Age using the same words and phrases. But, ask yourself this, which one used them first?
The New Age has been around for a while, a long while, but not in the form that it is now. That didn't happen to around the time Shirley Goofball McClaine decided to go out on her limb.
Now, just when was the NIV translated? Hmmmmm...
Who copied whom?
In Christ,
Trotter
OK, everybody pause for a second, and just think about this for a minute.
All this hullabaloo about the NIV and the New Age using the same words and phrases. But, ask yourself this, which one used them first?
The New Age has been around for a while, a long while, but not in the form that it is now. That didn't happen to around the time Shirley Goofball McClaine decided to go out on her limb.
Now, just when was the NIV translated? Hmmmmm...
Who copied whom?
In Christ,
Trotter
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OK...correct me if I am reading this wrong...but it seems to me...that Michelle just said that if we were saved using anything besides a KJV, which is God's perfect word in English , then we are deceived and still in our sins (uh, that means we ain't saved).
Sorry, Michelle. I do not appreciate that in the least.
In Christ,
Trotter
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Stop putting words in my mouth, and assuming things I have not said nor implied and that you just plain misunderstand. I was speaking of this topic at hand concerning the NIV and the New Age terminology. But to what you were insinuating I was saying: Can one be saved and decieved? YES! Does this mean they are not saved? NO. Although it could be possible someone thinks they are saved and are not. You have trouble understanding what I write, yet I am to believe you in understanding this issue, over that of what the Lord has shown me? I think not! I wasn't speaking of salvation or the salvation of a person whatsoever in my post but deception and ignorance of this issue. Have I been decieved in areas since I was saved? Yes! But the Lord showed me my error and I repented. Are you telling me, you could never be deceived since you are saved? I hope not, because you might be in for a mighty fall when you find out you have been.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
OK...correct me if I am reading this wrong...but it seems to me...that Michelle just said that if we were saved using anything besides a KJV, which is God's perfect word in English , then we are deceived and still in our sins (uh, that means we ain't saved).
Sorry, Michelle. I do not appreciate that in the least.
In Christ,
Trotter
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Stop putting words in my mouth, and assuming things I have not said nor implied and that you just plain misunderstand. I was speaking of this topic at hand concerning the NIV and the New Age terminology. But to what you were insinuating I was saying: Can one be saved and decieved? YES! Does this mean they are not saved? NO. Although it could be possible someone thinks they are saved and are not. You have trouble understanding what I write, yet I am to believe you in understanding this issue, over that of what the Lord has shown me? I think not! I wasn't speaking of salvation or the salvation of a person whatsoever in my post but deception and ignorance of this issue. Have I been decieved in areas since I was saved? Yes! But the Lord showed me my error and I repented. Are you telling me, you could never be deceived since you are saved? I hope not, because you might be in for a mighty fall when you find out you have been.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
I agree with you, Michelle! W/H were unbelievers, produced their corrupted Greek text and ERV. Dr. Bruce Metzger, today unbeliever, is a scholar who provided false information and produced his new mv and the UBS. Catholic system loves the MVs more than the KJV. The apostates produced MVs repeatedly since 1881 until now - still hereafter. MORE new mvs are coming in the future time dues to their greed for profit.
The MV side ignores the factual information; they prefer the mvs because they think they are easier for more people to understand. But they should not stand in the middle of the fire, they should keep hands-off. The Word of God He gave us is like fire. The mvs are skilled to play with fire. I cannot!! Because I must not play with fire. Hands off! When you play with fire, the Word of God, can you stand in the middle of fire?
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OK, now, everybody. Let's check our brains at the door. No need for them now, since we have the word of a group of 300 year dead Anglican scholars...
In Christ,
Trotter
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I strongly suggest that you come off the labels when reading a post and when approaching this serious topic of God's Holy words. This has nothing whatsoever to do with men, but God's Holy words of truth. Not the label of the KJV, nor the King James translators, but the very words of God. The words of the Lord that you and many generations of believers trusted as the very words of God before and after the advent of these modern versions.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
OK, now, everybody. Let's check our brains at the door. No need for them now, since we have the word of a group of 300 year dead Anglican scholars...
In Christ,
Trotter
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I strongly suggest that you come off the labels when reading a post and when approaching this serious topic of God's Holy words. This has nothing whatsoever to do with men, but God's Holy words of truth. Not the label of the KJV, nor the King James translators, but the very words of God. The words of the Lord that you and many generations of believers trusted as the very words of God before and after the advent of these modern versions.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Charles Meadows
New Member
C'mon guys!!
The idea that God would ordain only ONE version of scripture is a nice thought - God could have given us another stack of stone tablets written in English. But he didn't!!!!
The KJVO stance is a wash, disproven time and time again! The "research" by NON scholars like Riplinger, Ruckman, Gipp, Cloud etc is nothing of the sort! These authors had their conclusion long before they ever did any of their so-called research.
KJVO guys and gals - if you want to believe the KJVO stance then fine - you don;t have to have proof! But don't turn around and insist that there is ANY scholarship behind it!
I thought that "book larnin'" was from the devil anyhow!
The idea that God would ordain only ONE version of scripture is a nice thought - God could have given us another stack of stone tablets written in English. But he didn't!!!!
The KJVO stance is a wash, disproven time and time again! The "research" by NON scholars like Riplinger, Ruckman, Gipp, Cloud etc is nothing of the sort! These authors had their conclusion long before they ever did any of their so-called research.
KJVO guys and gals - if you want to believe the KJVO stance then fine - you don;t have to have proof! But don't turn around and insist that there is ANY scholarship behind it!
I thought that "book larnin'" was from the devil anyhow!
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I agree with you, Michelle! W/H were unbelievers, produced their corrupted Greek text and ERV. Dr. Bruce Metzger, today unbeliever, is a scholar who provided false information and produced his new mv and the UBS. Catholic system loves the MVs more than the KJV. The apostates produced MVs repeatedly since 1881 until now - still hereafter. MORE new mvs are coming in the future time dues to their greed for profit.
The MV side ignores the factual information; they prefer the mvs because they think they are easier for more people to understand. But they should not stand in the middle of the fire, they should keep hands-off. The Word of God He gave us is like fire. The mvs are skilled to play with fire. I cannot!! Because I must not play with fire. Hands off! When you play with fire, the Word of God, can you stand in the middle of fire?
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Hi Askjo!
Thank you for your input and showing me you also understand. It is so nice to see you again! How was that conference you attended? I would have loved to go, but didn't know anything about it, and I was visiting family in New York for a while, so chances are I wouldn't have made it. If you ever hear of one in St. Charles, or St. Louis, MO, let me know.
Yes, Bruce Metzger, from the little I have read of him, sounds very unbelieving and faithless. What I read of his writing, that was provided by someone here regarding the New Testament, I was shocked and in disbelief at how not one time did this man EVER glorify God in his writing. Not once in the article I read, concerning the New Testament. He continually bashes the word of God, claiming that it is from corrupt byzantine texts, even though this was the texts that God has preserved in the churches for hundreds of years in the Bible Believing true churches. Westcott and Hort are another story, and the fact that their personal lives and beliefs aren't enouph, their methods and theories are just as bad. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yes, I agree, do not mess with the words of the Lord, for it is like playing with fire. That seems to be the problem these days, that no one fears the words of the Lord enouph to not meddle with it. 100 years ago, this issue would be settled already, for most everyone that was christian feared the words of the Lord, because they believed they were the very words of the Lord. Not today however. It is only the message. WE are free to make up our own minds now, as to what God said, and what he didn't say, as long as the message is there. I wonder how many good witnesses and testimonies are lost because someone doesn't show from the scriptures the specific, accurate, and descriptive, detailed prophecies concerning our Lord Jesus Christ in the Old testament and standing and believing that we have no errors or contradictions in our Bible? I think many tend to like the mv's because they have erroneously corrected what translaters deemed to be contradictory or hard to be understood, that was not contradictory at all, but only needed further study and prayer to understand. In doing this, this has changed God's words into lies. Yet, many continue to keep their eyes shut tight, and their fingers in their ears to this important issue. Just continue praying that the Lord will open their eyes and ears.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
I agree with you, Michelle! W/H were unbelievers, produced their corrupted Greek text and ERV. Dr. Bruce Metzger, today unbeliever, is a scholar who provided false information and produced his new mv and the UBS. Catholic system loves the MVs more than the KJV. The apostates produced MVs repeatedly since 1881 until now - still hereafter. MORE new mvs are coming in the future time dues to their greed for profit.
The MV side ignores the factual information; they prefer the mvs because they think they are easier for more people to understand. But they should not stand in the middle of the fire, they should keep hands-off. The Word of God He gave us is like fire. The mvs are skilled to play with fire. I cannot!! Because I must not play with fire. Hands off! When you play with fire, the Word of God, can you stand in the middle of fire?
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Hi Askjo!
Thank you for your input and showing me you also understand. It is so nice to see you again! How was that conference you attended? I would have loved to go, but didn't know anything about it, and I was visiting family in New York for a while, so chances are I wouldn't have made it. If you ever hear of one in St. Charles, or St. Louis, MO, let me know.
Yes, Bruce Metzger, from the little I have read of him, sounds very unbelieving and faithless. What I read of his writing, that was provided by someone here regarding the New Testament, I was shocked and in disbelief at how not one time did this man EVER glorify God in his writing. Not once in the article I read, concerning the New Testament. He continually bashes the word of God, claiming that it is from corrupt byzantine texts, even though this was the texts that God has preserved in the churches for hundreds of years in the Bible Believing true churches. Westcott and Hort are another story, and the fact that their personal lives and beliefs aren't enouph, their methods and theories are just as bad. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yes, I agree, do not mess with the words of the Lord, for it is like playing with fire. That seems to be the problem these days, that no one fears the words of the Lord enouph to not meddle with it. 100 years ago, this issue would be settled already, for most everyone that was christian feared the words of the Lord, because they believed they were the very words of the Lord. Not today however. It is only the message. WE are free to make up our own minds now, as to what God said, and what he didn't say, as long as the message is there. I wonder how many good witnesses and testimonies are lost because someone doesn't show from the scriptures the specific, accurate, and descriptive, detailed prophecies concerning our Lord Jesus Christ in the Old testament and standing and believing that we have no errors or contradictions in our Bible? I think many tend to like the mv's because they have erroneously corrected what translaters deemed to be contradictory or hard to be understood, that was not contradictory at all, but only needed further study and prayer to understand. In doing this, this has changed God's words into lies. Yet, many continue to keep their eyes shut tight, and their fingers in their ears to this important issue. Just continue praying that the Lord will open their eyes and ears.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
DeclareHim
New Member
Of course she can't give us proof. She was raised in a KJVO church went to a KJVO college and is now in a church that preach KJVO everytime the church doors are open. There idea of revival is getting Ruckman
to come and spout his nonsense about KJV being the only Word of God.She's never looked in an NIV or any MV she just follows blindly the leaders of KJVO.
Marcia
Active Member
I not only have researched New Age authors (I realize the above statement was not addressed to me but am putting in my response to what you are saying anyway) but I lived it for over 15 yrs. I know the New Age inside and out. I lived it, ate it, drank it, breathed it, and slept it (I was president of the Atlanta Astrological Society at one point). I have published articles on it and am considered an expert on it. I teach about it in churches and at conferences, and am consulted by pastors and other ministries. I say all this to give you some idea of where I am coming from.
I had an NIV study Bible as a new believer. I was and still am, extremely sensitive to and aware of New Age language and terms. There is nothing in it that is remotely like the New Age. You have still not given an example from the NIV that shows it is New Age.
In fact, New Agers reject the NIV and all Bibles because even the NIV clearly makes the claims New Agers reject such as: man is sinful (rejected by New Agers), that man needs a Savior from sin (rejected by New Agers), that Jesus is the unique Son of God (rejected by New Agers), that there is a hell (very rejected by New Agers), that Jesus had a bodily resurrection (rejected by most New Agers), that Jesus is the only way to God (absolutely rejected by New Agers). All of these teachings are in the NIV and all are rejected by New Agers.
If the NIV had New Age sympathies, New Agers would find it out and be trumpeting it to the skies, believe you me.
In fact, when I wrote for astrological and New Age publications, I used to quote from the Bible (New Agers do use the Bible out of context - but they don't care which version it is; all versions work for them in this) and I quoted from my King James bible, because that was the only one I had. I wish you could see my 3 part article I wrote as an unbeliever on Jesus as the Avatar of the Age of the Pisces where I quoted quite a bit about Jesus from the King James to make my points.
DeclareHim
New Member
I agree with you, Michelle! W/H were unbelievers, produced their corrupted Greek text </font>[/QUOTE]Well I hate to disappoint you but the KJV translators were ANGLICAN Westcott and Hort were also ANGLICAN so if Westcott and Hort weren't saved then the KJV translators weren't either because they were from the same church. If you want to read an ANGLICAN Bible in the KJV fine.
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Of course she can't give us proof. She was raised in a KJVO church went to a KJVO college and is now in a church that preach KJVO everytime the church doors are open. There idea of revival is getting Ruckman to come and spout his nonsense about KJV being the only Word of God.She's never looked in an NIV or any MV she just follows blindly the leaders of KJVO.
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Oh you think you know me enouph to tell all these false things? I have only been saved for 4 years, and I was 30 years old at the time, and well past my days of my reckless and sinful college life, partying, God-denying/rejecting self. I didn't even know anything about this issue until the Lord showed this to me. I didn't grow up in a born again christian home, and we barely went to church, and when we did go to church it was to either Catholic or Episcopaleon. I never even read the Bible before I was saved, but somehow I did know that it was God's words, every single one of them. And for your information, I do not need to read or own an NIV to see what is wrong with it. The truth shows the error, the truth of the word of God in my Holy Bible. I do not need to see a movie, in order for me to discern whether I should see it or not. The information provided about it (both sides) speaks for itself. The truth is always the light shining and exposing the darkness. If someone said to you that smoking is A-Okay, and not going to hurt you in the least and why, and then you hear those who tell you smoking is bad for you and the reasons why, you then know that smoking is bad for you based upon the truth and common sense of the matter. Would you then have to take up smoking in order to prove that it is bad for you? No, you would stay away from it. Those that do, it would be evident and proof that it is bad for you.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Of course she can't give us proof. She was raised in a KJVO church went to a KJVO college and is now in a church that preach KJVO everytime the church doors are open. There idea of revival is getting Ruckman to come and spout his nonsense about KJV being the only Word of God.She's never looked in an NIV or any MV she just follows blindly the leaders of KJVO.
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Oh you think you know me enouph to tell all these false things? I have only been saved for 4 years, and I was 30 years old at the time, and well past my days of my reckless and sinful college life, partying, God-denying/rejecting self. I didn't even know anything about this issue until the Lord showed this to me. I didn't grow up in a born again christian home, and we barely went to church, and when we did go to church it was to either Catholic or Episcopaleon. I never even read the Bible before I was saved, but somehow I did know that it was God's words, every single one of them. And for your information, I do not need to read or own an NIV to see what is wrong with it. The truth shows the error, the truth of the word of God in my Holy Bible. I do not need to see a movie, in order for me to discern whether I should see it or not. The information provided about it (both sides) speaks for itself. The truth is always the light shining and exposing the darkness. If someone said to you that smoking is A-Okay, and not going to hurt you in the least and why, and then you hear those who tell you smoking is bad for you and the reasons why, you then know that smoking is bad for you based upon the truth and common sense of the matter. Would you then have to take up smoking in order to prove that it is bad for you? No, you would stay away from it. Those that do, it would be evident and proof that it is bad for you.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
If two sisters in your church told you how to make the exact same cake but used different wording what would be the final authority? The cake, right? How can you tell? By the result, right? The faithful versions of God's Word all yield the same doctrines, the same truths, and most especially the same faith. </font>[/QUOTE]2 sisters? You mean 2 Gods? There is ONE God! For example, He gave you 5 letters. You read all His 5 letters. His 5 letters differ each other. Let me ask you ONE simple question: Which one of 5 letters is MOST ACCURATE? MVs differ each other; which one of them is MOST accurate?