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NM fines churches
- Thread starter Salty
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Regardless of whether or not the law should exist, bottom line is it did. Churches rightly argue that they should not be singled out from other organizations when it benefits them but often want to be singled out when doing so suits their wants.
Regardless of whether or not the law should exist, bottom line is it did. Churches rightly argue that they should not be singled out from other organizations when it benefits them but often want to be singled out when doing so suits their wants.
Peace to you as well.
I suspect that the state will increasingly become hostile towards the Church. In a way, I suppose this is to be expected.
There have been legitimate cases (like New York) where churches were, IMHO, targeted. Groups could gather but when it was a religious gathering it was forbidden.
When all gatherings are not allowed, I do not know that it is proper for churches to expect exclusion. It just seems a bit dishonest for churches to demand that they be afforded the rights under local laws as any other organization, but then to turn around and demand that they be excluded from laws in place for any other organization when it does not suit their desires.
Personally, I do not think that the state should have made the law in the first place. But I also don't think that they should have prevented businesses from doing business....people should be informed about different opinions regarding gatherings but ultimately that should have been left up to the individual person.
The problem is that churches have become dependent on large infrastructures and "professional" models for "doing business".
The law is illegal and the churches are in the right. Further, its against biblical principles not to go.
From the article, Calvary Church followed guidelines. I suspect they will win their appeal.
This year certainly has seen government entities breaking the constitution while using social bullying to demand compliance. I read an article that called this behavior, "soft totalitarianism."
It is likely that there will be two types of churches in the future. One will be a State sponsored church where the gospel is purely a social gospel with no spiritual power. The other will be an underground church of believers meeting in house groups and pods. These churches will be filled with the Spirit of God and will persevere while being hunted down by the State.
This year certainly has seen government entities breaking the constitution while using social bullying to demand compliance. I read an article that called this behavior, "soft totalitarianism."
It is likely that there will be two types of churches in the future. One will be a State sponsored church where the gospel is purely a social gospel with no spiritual power. The other will be an underground church of believers meeting in house groups and pods. These churches will be filled with the Spirit of God and will persevere while being hunted down by the State.
It won't matter. The same Federal court injunction that is protecting MacArthur will also protect them.
The law is UnConstitutional. Federal courts dealing with the California cases have made it plain that no enforcement can occur until the 1A issue is settled.
I have not looked at the law, just assumed no organization was being allowed to gather en masses.
But yes, if this singled out churches then it needs to be elevated so the courts can determine its constitutionality.
The injunction issued is MacArthur case was pretty broad and sweeping. The wording there seems to suggest extra protection to churches. He seems to be saying that regardless of what restrictions are placed on other gatherings, churches are exempt.
It will be interesting if this kinda stuff continues.
Some "experts" are thinking that things will be somewhat back to normal in late summer, early Fall
Lets assume that does happen
Then - what kind of laws will we see being passed - pertaining to large gatherings in the event of another
major situation. Will churches be exempt? will churches be held to a higher standard???
Lets assume that does happen
Then - what kind of laws will we see being passed - pertaining to large gatherings in the event of another
major situation. Will churches be exempt? will churches be held to a higher standard???
kathleenmariekg
Active Member
It would be interesting if this increases attendance at smaller churches and home churches. I'm not so sure the mega church model is the best model.
This pandemic is weird. Lots and lots of bad stuff is happening, but all over the world, good things are happening too.
This pandemic is weird. Lots and lots of bad stuff is happening, but all over the world, good things are happening too.
It will be interesting. If the churches would stand together we would be fine. We know most will not. I know the Sheriff here said he was not shutting down anybody. The police chief said he would strictly enforce health department orders. After the mayor got lit up by the people, the Chief suddenly had a change of mind.
The church I attend has been meeting in person for months (it is in Augusta GA). In North Augusta SC I notices First Baptist has not been holding services, but the Presbyterian church across the road from FBC is.
I bet it's not a Presbyterian USA church. Those folks often deny the deity of Christ and promote a social gospel. I would guess it has stayed true to Reformed theology.