"No Justice-No Peace?" * JUST WHO ARE THEY KIDDING???? *

[righteousdude2]

The time for all AMERICANS to rise up and take back this nation is definitely NOW.

1) WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THE LAWLESS IN OUR CITY STREETS: With all the anti-American thugs that are nothing more than a lynch mob without a purpose ... running around our cities pulling down statutes, defacing historic buildings and memorials, and marching in the streets (without proper paperwork and applications filed with and approved by the city they are marching in). IF WE DON'T STOP THEM NOW, WE MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO STOP THEM IN THE FUTURE.

2) WE MUST REMEMBER THAT OUR COUNTRY WAS BUILT UPON LAWS, not lawlessness! There are legal and appropriate ways to get the right to protest, and we must insist that our current city, county and state leaders adhere to and enforce the laws of this nation/locality to which they were elected or hired to serve on our behalf. AND SHOULD THEY NOT DO THEIR JOBS, THEN WE, THE ELECTORATE MUST REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE IN NOVEMBER.

3) There is not racism among the greater majority of Americans. The only racism I see around me is racism that is being thrown in our faces by radicals who are out to destroy America.

4) Americans need to be definitely concerned about the sabre-rattling coming from the thugs who are taking over and burning our city streets down in each illegal protest. These thugs are testing the waters, and right no they are watching TIMID city leaders directing their law enforcement officials to stand back and let the unruly, illegally assembled thugs have their little temper tantrums in their protests. These leaders must have learned to run cities like they ran their families using the Benjamin Spock method to raising children. You surely remember Dr. Spock's infamous, hands off method? Let the little darlings have free run of the playground, it is after-all, just an exploratory phase?!

IF YOU RE LIKE ME, AND GROWING MORE AND MORE ANGRY AND UPSET WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN AMERICA, THEN REMEMBER, WE ARE GROWING SHORT OF TIME TO STEP IN AND PUT OUR FOOT TO THE GROUND. VOICE OUR DISPLEASURE. AND DEMAND law enforcement and city leaders stop this insanity of standing back and just watching our cities burn and be defaced, rob, and destroyed.
IF OUR CITIES ARE NOT CAPABLE IN REGAINING CIVIL ORDER, THAN WILL YOU JOIN ME IN ASKING THE PRESIDENT TO SEND IN THE MILITARY TO ARREST AND HOLD THE THUGS RESPONSIBLE BY RETURNING CONTROL OF OUR STREETS TO THOSE CITIZENS that still believe in the terms" LAW AND ORDER for all????

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[Salty]

Are they kidding? NO - they are ill infomed

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Civil rights without civil responsibility and accountability = anarchy.

We should have picked our own darn cotton!

Did the slaves did not have an uprising and free themselves.

 

[Particular]

We should have picked our own darn cotton!

Did the slaves did not have an uprising and free themselves.

Unless you look at the island of Hispaniola where we have worked for years to ensure the former slaves who won their own freedom are dirt poor and isolated from assistance.

 

[canadyjd]

We should have picked our own darn cotton!

Agreed! The US, which claims to be founded on Christian values, should never have participated in slavery, never have participated in segregation, never have participated in suppression of civil rights....

But we did. So now we have to continue to move forward, using the blueprint established in our constitution which allows us to correct these wrongs.

We fought a civil war to end slavery, but immediately established segregation and civil rights suppression.

After about 100 years, we ended segregation, officially, but practically speaking segregation still exists in certain places. We are still trying to correct the civil rights abuses, though we continue to make progress.

I don’t think the Pres calling in federal troops to take control is the right move.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Unless you look at the island of Hispaniola where we have worked for years to ensure the former slaves who won their own freedom are dirt poor and isolated from assistance.

Wouldn't that be more restricted to Haiti?

Just asking (I don't know much about the DR and Haiti's history, but I did read some on Haiti when I was considering a trip a few years ago).

 

[Salty]

Agreed! The US, which claims to be founded on Christian values, should never participated in slavery, never have participated in segregation, never have participated in suppression of civil rights.... ...

Yes, we were founded in Christian values. What were those Christian values?

Paul tells us check this link here

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, we were founded in Christian values. What were those Christian values?

Paul tells us check this link here

Very good explanation of Philemon. It is exactly the way I read it. Thanks

peace to you

 

[Wesley Briggman]

After about 100 years, we ended segregation, officially, but practically speaking segregation still exists in certain places.

Racial Segregation On American Campuses: A Widespread Phenomenon
"...commencement exercises for African-American students, living and recreational facilities segregated by race, black student unions, and so forth."

I support the efforts of the African-American students.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Yes, we were founded in Christian values. What were those Christian values?
Paul tells us check this link here

That article raises some good points, but doesn’t quite seem to capture the full tone and import of the letter, not that I think I can, but it’s deep—about experiencing the extents of God’s love through others.

Paul expresses high praise for Philemon as someone very devoted to Paul and other believers. Yet somehow Philemon was unable to compellingly communicate the love of Christ to Onesimus. Furthermore, it seems likely Paul knew Onesimus before, but also didn’t get through, until he ran away.

Now, Onesimus has made himself a slave, devotedly serving Paul like a son a loving father. Paul essentially invokes the “unto the least of these” of Jesus by asking Philemon to receive his slave Onesimus as if he were receiving the apostle himself. The bond of love Paul alludes to in all of this involves a deep devotion that would serve more than would a slave.

The upshot is that, by the time all of this was resolved, if it went the way Paul was aiming, the issue of being a slave would be a moot point.

“For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave,” (1 Cor 7:22).

 

[canadyjd]

That article raises some good points, but doesn’t quite seem to capture the full tone and import of the letter, not that I think I can, but it’s deep—about experiencing the extents of God’s love through others.

Paul expresses high praise for Philemon as someone very devoted to Paul and other believers. Yet somehow Philemon was unable to compellingly communicate the love of Christ to Onesimus. Furthermore, it seems likely Paul knew Onesimus before, but also didn’t get through, until he ran away.

Now, Onesimus has made himself a slave, devotedly serving Paul like a son a loving father. Paul essentially invokes the “unto the least of these” of Jesus by asking Philemon to receive his slave Onesimus as if he were receiving the apostle himself. The bond of love Paul alludes to in all of this involves a deep devotion that would serve more than would a slave.

The upshot is that, by the time all of this was resolved, if it went the way Paul was aiming, the issue of being a slave would be a moot point.

“For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave,” (1 Cor 7:22).

I agree with the conclusion of the article that Paul was urging Philemon to not only forgive and accept Onesimus as a brother in Christ but to do even more, grant him his freedom. Such an act of reconciliation and embracing the equality of our brethren in Christ would demonstrate the love of God that binds all believers by Holy Spirit.

peace to you

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Racial Segregation On American Campuses: A Widespread Phenomenon
"...commencement exercises for African-American students, living and recreational facilities segregated by race, black student unions, and so forth."

I support the efforts of the African-American students.

I do not. Self-segregation in public institutions does not promote reconciliation.

peace to you

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I agree with the conclusion of the article that Paul was urging Philemon to not only forgive and accept Onesimus as a brother in Christ but to do even more, grant him his freedom. Such an act of reconciliation and embracing the equality of our brethren in Christ would demonstrate the love of God that binds all believers by Holy Spirit.

Yes, some do want to think that, but what Paul actually requests is that Philemon allow Onesimus to serve as his slave instead. There is no indication that Onesimus has to be given his walking papers. In either case, it just doesn’t matter because of the new relationships.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Many historians consider 1619 to be the year African slaves arrived in the United States.
Birth of the United States of America: July 4, 1776
Emancipation Proclamation: January 1,1863

In the 244 years from 1619 to 1863, slavery was legal in this country. In 1776, independence was declared and we became a nation.

At what time in our history was the USA declared to be a nation "founded in Christian values"? What are those values and what Biblical passages validate them?

 

[Wesley Briggman]

I do not. Self-segregation in public institutions does not promote reconciliation.

peace to you

After pondering your statement, numerus questions come to mind. But, rather than go down those rabbit-trails, I will let it go with the following remarks.

reconciliation
an act of reconciling, as when former enemies agree to an amicable truce.
the state of being reconciled, as when someone becomes resigned to something not desired.
the process of making consistent or compatible.

Reconciliation: a truce; agreeing to something not desired; compromise.

If one party does not want to reconcile, it is not going to happen without overwhelming force being applied.

Other than God, I do not want anyone telling me with whom I can/cannot/should/should not associate with.

Freedom of Association and Assembly
"Freedom of Association and Assembly
The right to associate with others for the purpose of engaging in constitutionally protected activities.

The right to associate is not an independent constitutional right but is derived from and dependent on the First Amendment guarantees of Freedom of Speech and expression. It is protected only to the extent that it is asserted in conjunction with a First Amendment right. However, some legal scholars maintain that freedom of association is more fundamental than the rights enumerated in the Constitution because without it those other rights have little meaning.

One early case to recognize freedom of association was NAACP v. Alabama ex rel. Patterson, 357 U.S. 449, 78 S. Ct. 1163, 2 L. Ed. 2d 1488 (1958). In Patterson, the Supreme Court held that a lower court's order compelling the NAACP to disclose records containing the names and addresses of its Alabama members violated the group's right to associate freely. The Court recognized freedom of association as an adjunct to the NAACP's free speech rights and held that the freedom to associate for the advancement of beliefs and ideas is inseparable from the freedom of speech."

 

[canadyjd]

Many historians consider 1619 to be the year African slaves arrived in the United States.
Birth of the United States of America: July 4, 1776
Emancipation Proclamation: January 1,1863

In the 244 years from 1619 to 1863, slavery was legal in this country. In 1776, independence was declared and we became a nation.

At what time in our history was the USA declared to be a nation "founded in Christian values"? What are those values and what Biblical passages validate them?

We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.....

We can start with those. The founders expressed their belief in God and the rights God had given to all men. That was the foundation upon which they built the constitution and the nation.

Although they failed to live up to those words for decades, the foundation was there and ultimately slavery was abolished.

Fighting evil is hard work, we must never grow weary of doing good, and we must never rationalize evil to accommodate our own racial bias.

peace to you

 

[Wesley Briggman]

We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.....

We can start with those. The founders expressed their belief in God and the rights God had given to all men. That was the foundation upon which they built the constitution and the nation.

Although they failed to live up to those words for decades, the foundation was there and ultimately slavery was abolished.

Fighting evil is hard work, we must never grow weary of doing good, and we must never rationalize evil to accommodate our own racial bias.

peace to you

You, like 100% of people I have encountered have drank the cool-aide! This observation and conclusion is validated by the fact that my challenge to provide supporting Biblical references is ignored. The reason is simple. There are NONE!

I asked you: "At what time in our history was the USA declared to be a nation "founded in Christian values"? What are those values and what Biblical passages validate them?"

You say: "The founders expressed their belief in God..." So what! Scripture says:
[Jas 2:19 ESV] 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe--and shudder!

Expressing belief in God is common, not only with demons, bur with heathens.

You ignored our Constitutional right of freedom of association.

You have NO valid support for your position.

 

[canadyjd]

You have NO valid support for your position.

My position is that people often claim this nation was founded on Christian beliefs. It is clear that is true. Salty repeated it in this thread. I’ve heard it all my life from various sources. People often claim this country was founded on Christian beliefs.

I don’t know what your position is, though you seem to be saying the country was not founded on Christian beliefs, though I haven’t seen you articulate what beliefs were used in the founding of the country.

The Declaration of Independence declares all men are created equal. Scripture tells us all men are created in the image of God. That speaks to equality. If you can’t see that, I can’t can’t explain it any clearer.

Scripture tells us Christ came to give us life and to give it to the full. That speaks to being endowed by God with life. If you can’t see that, I can’t explain it any clearer.

Jesus said He would set us free, and that we would be free indeed. That speaks to liberty. If you can’t see that, I can’t explain it any clearer.

Scripture tells us our lives should be full of joy. That speaks to happiness. If you can’t see that, I can’t explain it any clearer.

Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

You, like 100% of people I have encountered have drank the cool-aide!

I hope you realize, at some point, that this statement means the only person you know that agrees with you is......you.... yourself.

Peace to you

 

[Particular]

My position is that people often claim this nation was founded on Christian beliefs. It is clear that is true. Salty repeated it in this thread. I’ve heard it all my life from various sources. People often claim this country was founded on Christian beliefs.

I don’t know what your position is, though you seem to be saying the country was not founded on Christian beliefs, though I haven’t seen you articulate what beliefs were used in the founding of the country.

The Declaration of Independence declares all men are created equal. Scripture tells us all men are created in the image of God. That speaks to equality. If you can’t see that, I can’t can’t explain it any clearer.

Scripture tells us Christ came to give us life and to give it to the full. That speaks to being endowed by God with life. If you can’t see that, I can’t explain it any clearer.

Jesus said He would set us free, and that we would be free indeed. That speaks to liberty. If you can’t see that, I can’t explain it any clearer.

Scripture tells us our lives should be full of joy. That speaks to happiness. If you can’t see that, I can’t explain it any clearer.

Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

I would argue that the founders understood and espoused Christian virtues. They held the correct premise that humans, by nature, are morally corrupt and need checks against gaining absolute power.
This does not, however, mean that people were Christians. Yes, there were some founders who were Christian. The percentage of the population was higher then than it is today regarding Christian faith. Yet, we see men like Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine who were by no means Christians, yet they upheld virtues that Christians also upheld. They were classically educated and thus they held principles that a Christian would hold.
Make no mistake, however, there was much corruption, greed and evil in the colonies and in the United States. Our founding fathers never gave up the evil practice of slavery. In essence, they never "tore down the high places of idol worship."