No One on this Board Supports Abortion

[JustChristian]

I haven't seen a single post that supports abortion except perhaps if the mother's life is in danger. Why do the Republicans here kept pushing the atrocity of "murder of the unborn." We all. agree that something must be done. We don't agree on how to do it. So can we stop wasting our time posting pictures of aborted infants and calling liberals murders? You're preaching to the choir.

 

[Revmitchell]

But you vote for those who do. The effect is the same.

 

[targus]

I haven't seen a single post that supports abortion except perhaps if the mother's life is in danger.

I have seen more than one statement on this board in the past week or two from some who say that they don't want to see women going back to back alley butchers or some such thing.

IMO that is supporting abortion.

 

[Jim1999]

Whilst we are asking people to stop going on about state abortions, perhaps we can also stop one poster from calling me a communist and atheist because I am a socialist...........lol

I stand by my position on abortion: Abortion if necessary, but not necessarily abortion.

I would not want to see society return to the back alley murders and butchering of women either. Hence, the solution to state abortions at random is a difficult thing to achieve in a democratic nation of equal rights for one and all.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Bible-boy]

Whilst we are asking people to stop going on about state abortions, perhaps we can also stop one poster from calling me a communist and atheist because I am a socialist...........lol

Jim,

Who has openly called you a communist and an atheist? If someone did this did you report their post?

 

[Bible-boy]

When one votes in support of a candidate or a party, which openly espouses and endorses the pro-abortion agenda, one has by de facto supported abortion. Sorry if folks don't like to hear this, but it is the truth.

 

[tinytim]

When you vote for a pro choice candidate you are just as guilty as the person that sticks the scissors into the head of the baby in a late term abortion..

The bible says to not be unequally yoked.. .and when you are yoked up with candidates, parties, platforms that support abortion... you are in it too.

There will come a day when all that voted for Prochoice candidates will stand before God and will have to explain why.

Hmmm.. what do you tell God....

"I voted that way because that guy (or gal) helped the economy"

BTW... I don't vote straight republican... I vote for the person... and we have a great pro life democrat Governor here in WV...

I seen a sign the other night... 99% of all democrats make the other 1% look bad!

 

[JustChristian]

Jim,

Who has openly called you a communist and an atheist? If someone did this did you report their post?

It mainly occurs in the form of "QAll liberals" or "All Democrats" are communists, fascists, murders, etc. It gets a little tiresome.

 

[Bible-boy]

It mainly occurs in the form of "QAll liberals" or "All Democrats" are communists, fascists, murders, etc. It gets a little tiresome.

Yep, I agree. Just like comments such as, "Most conservative posters here hate sinners so much that they refuse to minister to them, refuse to share the gospel with them..." etc. I tried to get the BB Admin Council to take action against people who make such general statements about specific groups of individuals. However, apparently I was not successful in making the point that such general attacks actually violate BB Posting Rules 3 and 4.

If you all agree with BaptistBeliever and I that such general attacks against groups of specific individuals ought not be allowed perhaps you should let the other BB Mods and Admins know your concerns.

Now back to the subject of the OP...:wavey:

 

[JustChristian]

When one votes in support of a candidate or a party, which openly espouses and endorses the pro-abortion agenda, one has by de facto supported abortion. Sorry if folks don't like to hear this, but it is the truth.

But it's worse when one is duped into voting for another party which has promised to end abortion for 30 years but has done very little about it. The facts are that abortions per women age 15-40 peaked in 1981 and have been dropping ever since. They dropped more percentage wise during Clinton's two terms than they have during Bush's two terms. The reason ir's worse to vote for the lip service only anti-abortion party is it's done immeasurable damage to the church to associate itself with one political party and its nominees.

 

[donnA]

If anyone voted for Obama and knowing he is wanting to allow partial birth abortions, and killing a baby after it's birth, see no reason for limits, they yes, they support abortion. If they did nto they could not vote to allow partial birth abortion, killing an already born baby.

 

[Bible-boy]

But it's worse when one is duped into voting for another party which has promised to end abortion for 30 years but has done very little about it. The facts are that abortions per women age 15-40 peaked in 1981 and have been dropping ever since. They dropped more percentage wise during Clinton's two terms than they have during Bush's two terms.

During the majority of the Clinton Administration years he was forced to work with the pro-life Republican Congress. Perhaps this helped facilitate the decline under Clinton? Then under the Bush Administration the Republican Party seems to have elected a bunch of moderate Republicans who in reality were no different than the liberal Democrats sitting across the isle in the Congress. They rejected many conservative principals in favor of political compromise with the liberals. Perhaps this explains the lack the expected results under the Bush Administration? However, it is wrong to say that President Bush did "nothing" help stop abortion in the US.

The reason ir's worse to vote for the lip service only anti-abortion party is it's done immeasurable damage to the church to associate itself with one political party and its nominees.

I agree that we have to vote the non-conservative RINOs out of office. However, I disagree that the right thing to do is elect liberal pro-abortion Dems to replace them. We must demand that we get social and fiscal conservatives as our choice for candidates. Secondly, before you can make this claim you'll first have to demonstrate that the premiss, "it's done immeasurable damage to the church to associate itself with one political party and its nominees" is valid and true.

 

[Jim1999]

I am not afraid to stand before my God and give account for my stand regarding abortion. Then, if I supported an outright ban on abortion in this plural society and equal rights, and it returns to butchering young ladies in the back allies and illegitimate doctors performing abortions, I won't have to stand before God for supporting murder.

The solution lies in proper counselling beginning with a 5 year old girl called a daughter. It continues with support and counsel for the young girl who falls into sin and gets pregnant. Will you stand before God and give account for why you did not provide adequate counsel?

I fear this question is not a yes or no thing. It isn't that simple.

On voting; I fought a war and risked my life to protect a certain thing called freedom. We have to vote responsibly and sometimes a proper candidate doesn't always embrace all the moral values we do. They are still the best choice for the country at large. I will vote regardless. I fought for that right and I will not waste it as long as I live and others are still fighting and dying for my rights.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[TrustingInHim]

But it's worse when one is duped into voting for another party which has promised to end abortion for 30 years but has done very little about it. The facts are that abortions per women age 15-40 peaked in 1981 and have been dropping ever since. They dropped more percentage wise during Clinton's two terms than they have during Bush's two terms. The reason ir's worse to vote for the lip service only anti-abortion party is it's done immeasurable damage to the church to associate itself with one political party and its nominees.

Changing the way people think takes time. I thank God for the technology that let's a young expecting mother see that her child is alive in the womb from the word 'go'.

As far as Republicans go, I do applaud President Bush for the appointments he put forward for the Supreme Court. It may all be undone with the new administration but at least it was the right direction for pro-life.

 

[JustChristian]

The majority of the Clinton Administration was forced to work with the pro-life Republican Congress. Perhaps this help facilitate the decline under Clinton? Then under the Bush Administration the Republican Party seems to have elected a bunch of moderate Republicans who in reality were no different than the liberal Democrats sitting across the isle in the Congress. They rejected many conservative principals in favor of political compromise with the liberals. Perhaps this explains the lack the expected results under the Bush Administration? However, it is wrong to say that President Bush did "nothing" help stop abortion in the US.



I agree that we have to vote the non-conservative RINOs out of office. However, I disagree that the right thing to do is elect liberal pro-abortion Dems to replace them. We must demand that we get social and fiscal conservatives as our choice for candidates. Secondly, before you can make this claim you'll first have to demonstrate that the premiss, "it's done immeasurable damage to the church to associate itself with one political party and its nominees" is valid and true.

When I was growing up in a Baptist Church I remember many people expressing the hope that one day we would have a true Christian as President. Then Jimmy Carter became the first President who openly called himself a born again Christian and the Church which at that time was already dominated by Republicans didn't support him. Since then we've had Presidents who used religion to get elected (Reagan and George HW Bush), one who everyone doubts (Clinton) and a false Christian (George Bush). Anyone who says that Muslims and Christians worship the same god and Muslims will go to heaven but not through a saving faith in Jesus Christ is not a Christian.

Both McCain and Sarah Palin said that they were federalists and didn't believe in repealing abortion rights because that was up to the individual states to decide. I'm against war unless it's absolutely necessary. Why should I would to continue a war I don't support to get no action on abortion? But McCain/Palin said the magic words. I suppose that's all that counts not really doing something about abortion.

 

[Bible-boy]

When I was growing up in a Baptist Church I remember many people expressing the hope that one day we would have a true Christian as President. Then Jimmy Carter became the first President who openly called himself a born again Christian and the Church which at that time was already dominated by Republicans didn't support him.

I believe the historical record shows that evangelicals did in fact support Carter for his first Presidential election bid. However, he betrayed them on the pro-life issue and announced a pro-choice (or pro-life personally but would not use his office to take action) stance. Then in 1980 the evangelicals backed Reagan and we know the results. I saw a really good documentary on this either on the History Channel or on NC Public TV. 1984 was the first Presidential election where I was old enough to vote.

 

[OldRegular]

When one votes in support of a candidate or a party, which openly espouses and endorses the pro-abortion agenda, one has by de facto supported abortion. Sorry if folks don't like to hear this, but it is the truth.

I agree with you 100%. The democrat party for many, many years has taken a strong position in favor of abortion. The president elect even voted against a bill in the Illinois Legislature that would require doctors to provide medical treatment to babies born alive after a botched abortion. Obviously one cannot claim to be opposed to abortion yet support this party's control of the Federal Government.:thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

I believe the historical record shows that evangelicals did in fact support Carter for his first Presidential election bid. However, he betrayed them on the pro-life issue and announced a pro-choice (or pro-life personally but would not use his office to take action) stance. Then in 1980 the evangelicals backed Reagan and we know the results. I saw a really good documentary on this either on the History Channel or on NC Public TV. 1984 was the first Presidential election where I was old enough to vote.

You are correct as usual. Also Bible-boy is fitting for one so young.:thumbs::laugh:

 

[Don]

I haven't seen a single post that supports abortion except perhaps if the mother's life is in danger. Why do the Republicans here kept pushing the atrocity of "murder of the unborn." We all. agree that something must be done. We don't agree on how to do it. So can we stop wasting our time posting pictures of aborted infants and calling liberals murders? You're preaching to the choir.

Dude, you supported abortion with your vote. You knowingly voted for a candidate who is unrepentent about allowing abortions any time, for any reason.

Maybe you should have tried actually looking at some of those pictures of aborted infants.

Did you pray for President Bush today?

 

[OldRegular]

But it's worse when one is duped into voting for another party which has promised to end abortion for 30 years but has done very little about it. The facts are that abortions per women age 15-40 peaked in 1981 and have been dropping ever since. They dropped more percentage wise during Clinton's two terms than they have during Bush's two terms. The reason ir's worse to vote for the lip service only anti-abortion party is it's done immeasurable damage to the church to associate itself with one political party and its nominees.

BB
You have peddle this nonsense before and been called on it. The Republicans could do little to nothing about abortion until they took control of the House in 1994 since the democrat speaker controls all legislation that is brought up for vote. When the Republicans took control of Congress they twice passed a bill outlawing Partial Birth Abortion and Clinton vetoed it each time. After Bush took office the bill was passed and signed into law. Also signed into law was a bill , which thwarted BO's efforts in the Illinois Legislature, that required Medical treatment be provided for aborted children born alive. I believe Senator Graham of my state was author of that bill. The Republican Party is still pro-life.

It is true that some Republican appointees to the Supreme Court, Souter and Kennedy, pulled a Carter.