No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

[JonC]

I think you're missing my point:

Nobody. I began the covid discussion by maintaining a Christian can make their own mind up while doing so without fear because we are in God's hands. We still face consequences for our choices, but God is in control. And I praise God for tge medical resources He has provided.

 

[Dave G]

I began the covid discussion by maintaining a Christian can make their own mind up while doing so without fear because we are in God's hands.

You did?

I must have missed that.
My apologies, as all I have paid attention to were your current threads and posts.

What I am seeing is you basically arguing in favor of mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and so forth.
Again, if I'm in error, please correct me.

We still face consequences for our choices, but God is in control.

Either God's people can count on Him, even in times like these, or we cannot.
Which is it, my friend?

And I praise God for tge medical resources He has provided.

As do I.
But ultimately I don't trust men or modern medicine to do right by me,
and watching from the sidelines, I can see why He has told His people not to.

I see a pharmaceutical industry that is profiting like mad off this,
and I see government over-reach beginning to show itself in America like I've never seen before.

Also, someone has to pay for mandated vaccines and masks, Jon, and it's not the government.
They get their money from the taxpayers.

 

[JonC]

You did?

I must have missed that.
My apologies, as all I have paid attention to were your current threads and posts.

What I am seeing is you basically arguing in favor of mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and so forth.
Again, if I'm in error, please correct me.

Either God's people can count on Him, even in times like these, or we cannot.
Which is it, my friend?

As do I.
But ultimately I don't trust men or modern medicine to do right by me,
and watching from the sidelines, I can see why He has told His people not to.

I see a pharmaceutical industry that is profiting like mad off this, and I see government over-reach beginning to show itself in America like I've never seen before.
Someone has to pay for mandated vaccines and masks, Jon, and it's not the government.

They get their money from the taxpayers.

No problem. I'm not sure it was on this thread.

I'll summarize my position -

Christians should weigh the evidence and make a decision about whether or not to be vaccinated. They should not decide out of fear but out of being a good and faithful steward, out of trusting God.


Over and over again God has proven Himself a God of means. The Christian who takes blood pressure medicine is not doing so out of fear or a lack of faith, but he is being responsible for his health. Christians can have heart surgery, or knee replacement, without seeking medical treatment being a lack of faith. In fact, it is the opposite. I was vaccinated against covid and pneumonia because I have faith in God and know my actions still matter.

Those who refuse a vaccine should have that same faith. They should be weighing the risks and benefits while deciding to refuse the shot. Their refusal of a vaccine is also not a lack of faith. It is deciding the best course of action.

Whetever one does, let it be with thanks to God and in faith. For me this was thanking God for a vaccine in faith that my life is in His hands. I hope for Christians who reject medical treatments it is also in faith their lives are in His hands. That said, we do suffer the consequences of bad decisions we make in this lifetime (my father dying at 51 of lung cancer is an example).

 

[Reynolds]

Well....they are not fully vaccinated. I know their numbers have a list of partially vaccinated which is one shot up to less than 2 weeks after the second.

But it makes sense to classify them as unvacvinated, even though it makes raises the survivability rate for the completely unvacvinated.

It makes no sense to classify them as unvaccinated.

 

[JonC]

It makes no sense to classify them as unvaccinated.

At the same time, it makes no sence to classify them as vaccinated.

Perhaps this is why they typically specify between "unvaccinated", "not fully vaccinated" and "vaccinated".

 

[Reynolds]

At the same time, it makes no sence to classify them as vaccinated.

Perhaps this is why they typically specify between "unvaccinated", "not fully vaccinated" and "vaccinated".

According to ER doctor I heard, there are 2 categories.

 

[JonC]

According to ER doctor I heard, there are 2 categories.

The CDC studies linked to their website reference "unvaccinated", "partially vaccinated", and "fully vaccinated".

But I'm fine with calling less than fully vaccinated "unvaccinated".

 

[Reformed1689]

It makes no sense to classify them as unvaccinated.

They probably didn't even die of covid........

 

[Reynolds]

They probably didn't even die of covid........

Yep. Probably died of old age and had a runny nose. The Covid fear mongering crowd has no shame. Report a Covid hospitilizations and get big dollars.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yep. Probably died of old age and had a runny nose. The Covid fear mongering crowd has no shame. Report a Covid hospitilizations and get big dollars.

Exactly. When the pandemic first started and our governor gave the numbers every day. I would shake my head when he would say 103 year old female. You cannot tell me that was a primary death because of COVID. She would have died from anything she had gotten.

 

[Reformed1689]

Exactly. When the pandemic first started and our governor gave the numbers every day. I would shake my head when he would say 103 year old female. You cannot tell me that was a primary death because of COVID. She would have died from anything she had gotten.

And what amazed me is just how many people in the state of Kentucky are over 100.

 

[JonC]

But ultimately I don't trust men or modern medicine to do right by me,
and watching from the sidelines, I can see why He has told His people not to.

Also, someone has to pay for mandated vaccines and masks, Jon, and it's not the government.
They get their money from the taxpayers.

Hey Dave,

I should have addressed this but didn't.

We should obey God. He guided me to take the vaccine (provided assurance and comfort to me in that decision). I certainly would not advocate for a person to choose to be vaccinated or choose not to be vaccinated in disobedience.

As far as your last statement goes, the government is paying for the vaccines. This was secured under the Trump Administration so that vaccines would be made avaliable to all without cost. They also provided funding for masks to agencies. So the bottom line is we are paying for it through our tax dollars.

 

[Andre]

Data shows you are just as likely to spread the virus if you are vaccinated, as you are if you are unvaccinated.

False.

From Craig Spencer, is an emergency-medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center:

So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission.

 

[Andre]

Vaccinated People Are Spreading the Covid-19 Delta Variant

You are citing "Organic Lifestyle Magazine". Twitter has suspended them for the following reasons:

The Twitter account of Organic Lifestyle Magazine, which has published misinformation about vaccines, 5G technology, and other health-related subjects. It was created in 2009.

Examples of COVID-19 Misinformation:

• April 16 tweet with a link to a Mercola.com story with false claims that 5G technology can worsen the effects of COVID-19.
• March 26 tweet with a link to a Collective Evolution story with false claims that Vitamin C protects against the coronavirus.

 

[Andre]

Jon I find it shocking that people , such as Reynolds, will post half truths as a way to support their views.

I am quite confident that it can be proven that the significant majority of those who take the anti-vax stance here in this forum are posting deceptive statements.

 

[Andre]

Look it up. Then you will believe it. You will dismiss any source I cite.

Unacceptable.

You guys do this all the time - make implausible claims and then expect other people to do your homework for you.

If it is your claim, you bear the responsibility to provide the evidentiary suppot.

 

[SGO]

"False, Unacceptable", please create some new ones. "Variety is the spice of life".

 

[Andre]

They probably didn't even die of covid........

How do you reach this conclusion?

 

[Andre]

"False, Unacceptable", please create some new ones. "Variety is the spice of life".

Do you or do you not agree that the person making a claim has the responsibility to defend that claim?

 

[Reformed1689]

How do you reach this conclusion?

Because I'm not stupid.