Nobody Wants to Open Up the Economy More Than Trump, but He is Going to do It Right!

[Gold Dragon]

I'm not only paying attention to Trump but I have confidence in that he will mange this situation as well as can be.

I hope you are right. Because the consequences of being wrong is not only American lives but wasting the sacrifice of many Americans who have done the right thing so far to help control covid19 spread.

Opening things up too early and not being ready to deal with the increase in transmission rates will potentially result in a second wave worse than the first one.

Having graduated relaxing of restrictions with 2 weekly reviews is a reasonable approach. And communicating that it can go backwards is important too. The whitehouse plan looks like a reasonable starting point.

 

[church mouse guy]

The Chinese flu is very contagious. You can have it without having any symptoms. Maybe 20 or 30 million Americans have had it without symptoms. I haven't had any symptoms so I probably had it.

 

[InTheLight]

The Chinese flu is very contagious. You can have it without having any symptoms. Maybe 20 or 30 million Americans have had it without symptoms. I haven't had any symptoms so I probably had it.

Oh boy. That's awesome reasoning. Just go about your business, then.

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[church mouse guy]

Oh boy. That's awesome reasoning. Just go about your business, then.

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Think that I could get a job with CNN?

 

[Adonia]

The Chinese flu is very contagious. You can have it without having any symptoms. Maybe 20 or 30 million Americans have had it without symptoms. I haven't had any symptoms so I probably had it.

And you are now okay, that's good. That is how we get "herd immunity", the strong will servive.

 

[church mouse guy]

And you are now okay, that's good. That is how we get "herd immunity", the strong will servive.

Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattachary, perhaps the leading American expert on these sort of things, says that for every reported case there are 50 unreported cases. So if we have a half million reported cases that means that we have about 25 million cases total or more against 41,000 deaths. So many people have had it and don't even know it. I read where one communist murderer in Cuba, General Ramiro Valdes, 88, as well as Raul Castro, also 88, have survived the Chinese Virus.

 

[InTheLight]

Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattachary, perhaps the leading American expert on these sort of things, says that for every reported case there are 50 unreported cases. So if we have a half million reported cases that means that we have about 25 million cases total or more against 41,000 deaths. So many people have had it and don't even know it.

Study in Santa Clara County, California tested 3,300 people. It has not been published in scientific journals or peer reviewed. Most of the people tested were recruited through Facebook ads and not randomly selected.

Santa Clara County is the area of Silicon Valley and the high-tech corridor of California. The age demographics skew much younger than the US as a whole.

BTW, the infection rate in Santa Clara county, when using this study's testing statistics, is about 2%.

 

[InTheLight]

Think that I could get a job with CNN?

Yes. By showing you can pull numbers out of thin air and reach conclusions you show a strong aptitude for employment at CNN.

 

[church mouse guy]

Study in Santa Clara County, California tested 3,300 people. It has not been published in scientific journals or peer reviewed. Most of the people tested were recruited through Facebook ads and not randomly selected.

Santa Clara County is the area of Silicon Valley and the high-tech corridor of California. The age demographics skew much younger than the US as a whole.

BTW, the infection rate in Santa Clara county, when using this study's testing statistics, is about 2%.

I don't know what your point is. I don't think that very many challenge the brilliance or honesty of Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattachary. The test was just completed.

 

[church mouse guy]

Yes. By showing you can pull numbers out of thin air and reach conclusions you show a strong aptitude for employment at CNN.

I doubt if they pay very well at CNN since the airports are closed and no one is watching them anymore. I work close to the Indianapolis airport and it is very quiet now.

 

[InTheLight]

I don't know what your point is. I don't think that very many challenge the brilliance or honesty of Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattachary. The test was just completed.

Point is that the study has not been peer reviewed, the respondents were not selected at random, and the respondents were likely younger than the general population.

I didn't see the Facebook ad but I can imagine this: "Have you had a sore throat, coughs, or other flu-like symptoms? Do you want to know if you've had the coronavirus? Come to Stanford and get tested." And then a bunch of younger people that have had symptoms and are idling at home go and get tested.

 

[church mouse guy]

Point is that the study has not been peer reviewed, the respondents were not selected at random, and the respondents were likely younger than the general population.

I didn't see the Facebook ad but I can imagine this: "Have you had a sore throat, coughs, or other flu-like symptoms? Do you want to know if you've had the coronavirus? Come to Stanford and get tested." And then a bunch of younger people that have had symptoms and are idling at home go and get tested.

There were other colleges and universities involved. It is just one of many studies that need to be done. Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattachary concedes that it is just one test. It was privately financed. What does peer reviewing have to do with a test that was just completed and then the results released. Does anyone doubt the competency and honesty of Dr. Jay Bhattachary? Or for that matter did Hoover Institution present the results and anything more than what they actually were? Are you attacking the Hoover Institution, too? If the results of the test show that fifty times more people have had the Chinese virus than the half million or more reported, so what?

The study was balanced for class according to Dr. Bhattachary. By the way, the American results are similar to German results, as was noted before.

CA Study: 50 Times More People Than Projected Have Had Coronavirus

Here is the verbal report that might answer some of your questions:

 

[InTheLight]

I'm not attacking them. I question the methods of their study. I don't have 42 minutes to sit and watch a video.

Testing mostly young people or people that suspected they might have had the virus (or both) is not a valid test.

Putting that all aside, they showed a 2% infection rate. If that were to hold true across the USA about 6 million would be infected NOT the 25 million you suggested.

 

[Reynolds]

That means we are not going to swing the gates wide open on May 1st. It also means that I shouldn’t waste time debating COVIDIOTS on the internet that want to jump into a Herd Immunity approach at the end of this month to save our economy from a socialist takeover as the hyper political conspiracy theorist proclaim. Most people, in the real world understand that opening up the economy must be done responsibly and it won’t happen all at once suddenly on May 1st because that would amount to insanity!

Carry on…

Herd immunity will be the eventual answer.
How do you know its proponents are idiots? The only nation I am aware of that has tried that approach has a similar infection rate to the U.S.

 

[church mouse guy]

I'm not attacking them. I question the methods of their study. I don't have 42 minutes to sit and watch a video.

Testing mostly young people or people that suspected they might have had the virus (or both) is not a valid test.

Putting that all aside, they showed a 2% infection rate. If that were to hold true across the USA about 6 million would be infected NOT the 25 million you suggested.

You didn't get it did you. There were about a thousand cases in Santa Clara county I think. I don't think that you have any point whatsoever. They tested the people who showed up and then adjusted their conclusions thereby. That is the second time that you have reiterated that point, which is not valid. Dr. Bhattachary is at Stanford because he does medical research and he does research connected with the economics of medicine. He could be at Mayo Clinic but they are more specialists practitioners than they are researchers. Do you question the actions of the doctors at Mayo Clinic?

On your point about the 2%, the conclusion was that there were about 50 unreported cases for every reported case. I think you are referring to the 2.81% rate. From the Breitbart link, which you are misquoting by not quoting the entire statement:

"The result was positive in 1.5 percent of cases. Adjusting for age, gender and ethnicity the results suggest that 2.8 percent of people in the county had already had the virus. That might not seem many, but at the time of the study — on April 4 and 5 — only 1,094 people in the county were recorded as having the virus. The study suggests the real figure is between 48,000 and 81,000."

CA Study: 50 Times More People Than Projected Have Had Coronavirus

I don't know what more you would want in credentials other than Stanford and the Hoover Institution who probably get sick and tired of having to spend scarce money correcting the errors of liberals but do so as a public service with the same competency of Mayo Clinic or Cleveland Clinic or Johns Hopkins. You are not dealing with the sloppy CDC or the lawyerly FDA or the communist controlled WHO. Bhattachary has both an MD and a PhD.
Jayanta Bhattacharya Professor of Medicine, Senior Fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and, by courtesy, at the Freeman Spogli Institute and Professor, by courtesy, of Health Research and Policy and of Economics University - Faculty Jay Bhattacharya

 

[InTheLight]

Where did you come up with your assertion that there are 25 million infected in the US?

Maybe 20 or 30 million Americans have had it without symptoms.

 

[church mouse guy]

Where did you come up with your assertion that there are 25 million infected in the US?

At the time there were about a half million reported cases in the US and so I multiplied by 50. I stated that a couple of times but probably not on this thread. I used round numbers as I got tired of looking at the numbers.

 

[InTheLight]

Read the actual study here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

The authors state that if the accuracy of their test method was less than 97.9%, the estimate of the prevalence of COVID-19 virus would drop from 2.8% to less than 1%.

The authors admitted there were other flaws in their test. We..."selected for members of Santa Clara County with access to Facebook and a car to attend drive-through testing sites." And, "Other biases, such as bias favoring individuals in good health capable of attending our testing sites, or bias favoring those with prior COVID-like illnesses seeking antibody confirmation are also possible.

 

[Calminian]

That means we are not going to swing the gates wide open on May 1st. It also means that I shouldn’t waste time debating COVIDIOTS on the internet that want to jump into a Herd Immunity approach at the end of this month to save our economy from a socialist takeover as the hyper political conspiracy theorist proclaim. Most people, in the real world understand that opening up the economy must be done responsibly and it won’t happen all at once suddenly on May 1st because that would amount to insanity!

Carry on…

Trump is leaving it to the governors, allowing them to sink or swim with their electorate. Master stroke.

And these governors know the kill rate is not 6%—the lie you've been pushing. So they'll move things much faster than you would.

 

[InTheLight]

At the time there were about a half million reported cases in the US and so I multiplied by 50. I stated that a couple of times but probably not on this thread. I used round numbers as I got tired of looking at the numbers.

So, based on the number of test results in one county that reported the number of people who tested positive for COVID-19 you simply extrapolated the number of cases nationwide and used a multiplier from another [biased] test result to get an overall number of "unreported cases" of COVID-19 in the United States. Wow.