NOBTS professor detects Calvinistic tilt in study notes of LifeWay’s new Bible (CSB)

[Reynolds]

Adam acted within the ordained will of God. Adam could not choose outside of God's ordained will.
God was not taken by surprise. God's will was never usurped by Adams actions. Nowhere do you see God saying He was blindsided by human action. On the contrary. God tells us that He raises up evil nations to accomplish His will. Read Habakkuk if you doubt.

You desperately want the choice to be like God. Why is that?

You repeat the same things yet say nothing. As I have said, I do not want to be God. That idea is a fabrication of your over active imagination.
Again: God told Adam not to sin. According to you, it had to be Gods will for Adam to sin. God says one thing yet wills another?

 

[Reynolds]

I provided the answer. You don't like it and demand that God answer your childish questions as though he's obligated to do so.
Just rest in God. Trust Him when He says He is with you always. No questions are necessary. God is Sovereign, you are not.

You provided no answer. You provided a non-answer. You are having fundamental reading comprehension issues this evening. I asked God no question. I asked you a question.

 

[MennoSota]

You provided no answer. You provided a non-answer. You are having fundamental reading comprehension issues this evening. I asked God no question. I asked you a question.

LOL, I did not provide an answer you accept. There is a difference. Continue in your synergism, imagining you can work your way into God's favor.

 

[Reynolds]

LOL, I did not provide an answer you accept. There is a difference. Continue in your synergism, imagining you can work your way into God's favor.

As I said, you gave a non-answer.
Still going with your wild fabrications. How did you decide I am working to attain God's favor? What led you to fabricate that fantastic nonsense?

 

[MennoSota]

As I said, you gave a non-answer.
Still going with your wild fabrications. How did you decide I am working to attain God's favor? What led you to fabricate that fantastic nonsense?

Simple. You insist that you are choosing despite the fact that God tells you over and over again that He chooses you.
You are demanding a role that is not yours.

 

[Reynolds]

Simple. You insist that you are choosing despite the fact that God tells you over and over again that He chooses you.
You are demanding a role that is not yours.

Again,, The Bible is not so clear on exactly what God's choosing actually is. Is it a resistance or an irresistible choosing is the issue at hand. Looking at Adam, God mist definitely appears to let man resist His perfect will.

 

[MennoSota]

Again,, The Bible is not so clear on exactly what God's choosing actually is. Is it a resistance or an irresistible choosing is the issue at hand. Looking at Adam, God mist definitely appears to let man resist His perfect will.

It's very clear. God chooses in the adoption process. You, the orphan rebel child, do not choose your Father.
It is that simple.
When I see people over thinking this, it is almost always because they want to have control and they are looking for any possible means to be in control.
Life is so much more enjoyable and filled with contentment when we die with Christ and Christ lives instead of us. (Galatians 2:20)
If God is going to be Sovereign in a real and practical way, then we have to let go of any attempt to have control. Let God have his Sovereign role as King and be content with serving in the Kingdom.

 

[Van]

Ties into Romans 8, as the elect in Christ are the sinners chosen out beforehand by God, by His own will and purpose, not based upon us!

Again, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, rather than being chosen individually before we existed. As far as Ephesians, In this passage (Ephesians 1:3-9) Paul lists the blessings born anew believers now positionally sanctified in Christ, have received: First, God’s redemption plan formulated before creation included both His Redeemer (Christ) and those who would be redeemed (us) chosen corporately. Next, we would be made blameless and holy as a new creation in Christ. Our third listed blessing is that we are predestined for adoption, the redemption of our bodies at Christ’s second coming. Forth, our sins are forgiven through the blood of His Lamb. Finally, with the indwelling of the Helper, He made known to us the mystery of His plan for redemption of those who trust in Christ.

As far as Romans 8:29-30, Those He foreknew refers to the target group of God’s redemption plan, everyone redeemed by Christ. The redemption plan predestined the spiritual rebirth of those redeemed, making them spiritual children of God and siblings of Christ. Called refers to those God sets apart in Christ, the redeemed. During our spiritual rebirth, the washing of regeneration removes our sin burden, thereby justifying those redeemed. And we are spiritually glorified as a new creation united with Christ.

 

[Reynolds]

It's very clear. God chooses in the adoption process. You, the orphan rebel child, do not choose your Father.
It is that simple.
When I see people over thinking this, it is almost always because they want to have control and they are looking for any possible means to be in control.
Life is so much more enjoyable and filled with contentment when we die with Christ and Christ lives instead of us. (Galatians 2:20)
If God is going to be Sovereign in a real and practical way, then we have to let go of any attempt to have control. Let God have his Sovereign role as King and be content with serving in the Kingdom.

Well, my life is surrendered to Him. What difference does it make If I had a choice to surrender or if I had a meere illusion of a choice to surrender? I have no desire or ability to unsurrender, so what does it matter?

 

[MennoSota]

Well, my life is surrendered to Him. What difference does it make If I had a choice to surrender or if I had a meets illusion of a choice to surrender? I have no desire or ability to unsurrender, so what does it matter?

God didn't give you the option to surrender. It wasn't your choice.
God adopted you while you were yet rebellious.
You still want to have control. Stop it. You have no control over the matter. None, zip, nada.

 

[Revmitchell]

Well, my life is surrendered to Him. What difference does it make If I had a choice to surrender or if I had a meets illusion of a choice to surrender? I have no desire or ability to unsurrender, so what does it matter?

What matters to some is that you be sure to knuckle under and say it exactly as they do or else they will say you do not have the gospel or God has not given you the grace to understand or most often imply that you are stupid.

 

[Reynolds]

What matters to some is that you be sure to knuckle under and say it exactly as they do or else they will say you do not have the gospel or God has not given you the grace to understand or most often imply that you are stupid.

You got that right!

 

[Reynolds]

God didn't give you the option to surrender. It wasn't your choice.
God adopted you while you were yet rebellious.
You still want to have control. Stop it. You have no control over the matter. None, zip, nada.

You are a broken record. Same old
Junk over and over. You remind me of the church lady on S.N.L.

I am still waiting for you to address how Adam, who had no control, did exactly what God told him not to do. Did God tell Adam not to do what God really willed him to do?

 

[Yeshua1]

Earlier in the thread, I posted a quote from Sproul. Maybe you have a better answer for it than he does.

Why did Adam sin?
Did he have a choice?
Did he do Gods will?
If Adam did not do Gods will, does that mean God was not in control?
If he did Gods will, why did God command him to do opposite of what He really wanted Adam to do?
Considering Adam had no fallen nature, why did hedesire to sin?

God decreed/ordained that there would be the Fall, and He decreed the Cross of Christ as his way to deal with that issue, but Adam and Eve still did what they desired to do, same way Judas fulfilled scripture as one to betray Jesus, and so was ordained by God to do that, but he still did as he desired to do!

 

[Reynolds]

God decreed/ordained that there would be the Fall, and He decreed the Cross of Christ as his way to deal with that issue, but Adam and Eve still did what they desired to do, same way Judas fulfilled scripture as one to betray Jesus, and so was ordained by God to do that, but he still did as he desired to do!

Maybe you can clear that up for Sproul, he seems confused about it.
Why did Adam want to do evil? He had no sin nature.

 

[Revmitchell]

Maybe you can clear that up for Sproul, he seems confused about it.
Why did Adam want to do evil? He had no sin nature.

Exactly, His nature was not corrupt yet reformed folks say that one can only act according to their nature. Adam blows that idea out of the water.

 

[Yeshua1]

Exactly, His nature was not corrupt yet reformed folks say that one can only act according to their nature. Adam blows that idea out of the water.

Not really, as the fall was ordained by the will of God to happen, and Adam choose to do what he wanted!

 

[Yeshua1]

Maybe you can clear that up for Sproul, he seems confused about it.
Why did Adam want to do evil? He had no sin nature.

Back it up to satan, why did he sin against God? Answer, Pride was found to now be in Him.....

 

[MennoSota]

You are a broken record. Same old
Junk over and over. You remind me of the church lady on S.N.L.

I am still waiting for you to address how Adam, who had no control, did exactly what God told him not to do. Did God tell Adam not to do what God really willed him to do?

I sound like a broken record because I won't accept your poor understanding of Sovereignty and grace. So be it. Your demand to have God tell you and explain to you his purpose in the fall is childish.

God does what he does because He is Sovereign. He owes us no explanation. Rest in God and trust Him.

Why is that so hard for you to do?

 

[Reynolds]

I sound like a broken record because I won't accept your poor understanding of Sovereignty and grace. So be it. Your demand to have God tell you and explain to you his purpose in the fall is childish.

God does what he does because He is Sovereign. He owes us no explanation. Rest in God and trust Him.

Why is that so hard for you to do?

Maybe because you are not God. Maybe because your theology has a fatal flaw in it that you defend simply by calling those ignorant who point it out.

I am going to use your reasoning. I believe what I believe because God is sovereign
And He ordained it that way.