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posted June 29, 2005 06:46 PM

</font>[/QUOTE]Thank you Whetstone, please read my responses to King James.

 

Hello KJ.

Thank you Pastor Larry.

I did not say you are worse than me KJ but I said I should use caution and forgot. But you confirm that you know what the ten days harkens to.

A man thing? A Jungle Book thing? What point was that then? As I said and proved to you, I thought that I detected error and explored it and found it so. That I was only asking means that. I had no point what point are you meaning please?

Thank you for the information and now being noble and all I will ask for the chapter and verse please so I can make sure what you say is in line with scripture. Bearing in mind Jesus said, JN 6:29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Don't fall into 'ifs' where there is none. He could have set it up in anyway He chose.

"God is Sovereign and as such Jesus never gave up His Kingship."

You are not teachable by me you think for yourself. Listen to scripture.

What does 'God cursed Jesus' mean?

He strolled around His creation getting thirsty, hungry and occassionally a bit tipsy. At no time did the Lord of Glory ever renounce His Kingship as He is the Theotetos. COL 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

ISA 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Or in other words King.

Must be me upbringing. A lot of people have trouble understanding me. Who serves who?


john.

 

And why should I do that Whetstone, You are either in this conversation or you are not. If you are then the onus is on you to read the posts before interjecting your comments. That is after all what you expect from others.

The written word with it's limited dynamics is a poor means of communication at best!

 

"The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Who is the One He has sent? Penguin? The Joker? Or wait...was it...The GOD/MAN Jesus Christ? Too easy...

Don't need Scripture verse to prove that...common sense alone does it. You cannot be saved unless you believe in Jesus Christ and who is that? The God/Man.


Here's a for ya sunshine...you may now go back to

 

"I thought that I detected error and explored it and found it so."

the error you "detected" was the point! *exasperated sigh* Did your mother not love you or something???

 

"He strolled around His creation getting thirsty, hungry and occassionally a bit tipsy. At no time did the Lord of Glory ever renounce His Kingship as He is the Theotetos."

So I made a mistake. What are YOU going to do about it?

 

It appears we have some people here who like to do nothing more than twist words and make fun of people.

I want nothing to do with people like you. Larry...I see how you let them get away with it. I'd say much more, but then...I'm not a Calvinist so I wouldn't get away with it. I shall wipe the dust off my feet of the certain few people here that know who they are. for you all

 

Hello KJ.

The Joker Man?

Well she didn't drown me at birth.

What point? I asked a question was the point. What point do you mean?
Maybe she should have drowned me at birth. I think she did want to when I got older but I'd got too big by then.

You would expect me to crow a bit would you not? HaHa!

john.

 

KJ why don't you quote correctly

They work of God is that WE believe in the one whom He sent. God's work, OUR belief! Our belief in Jesus is not a work!

 

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KJ why don't you quote correctly

Wes, I will...when you tell me what in the heck you are talking about???

I always try to quote someone correctly so if I made a mistake I apologize. Now allow me to make a suggestion...why don't you quit shouting at me. deal?

 

Then quote the text of scripture correctly, you were quoting John 6:29 when you "inadvertently" left out the "who" is 'to believe' in the one God sent.

The way you said it,

says, the work of God is for God to be the one who must believe in the one God sent, and that is simply not what John 6:29 says.

 

(NIV)John 6:29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: (that we are is implied here) to believe in the one he has sent."

So if the NIV says it then the (we) is implied.
But if KJ says it it the same way then it could not be implied?
Is that what you are saying Wes?

 

Especially when dealing with the word of God, and the word disagrees with what yo want it to say

 

Wes,

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, for apart from such faith, a man shall surely perish. Nevertheless, it sounds as if you are under a judicial system, and not under grace. What? God has done His part, now the deciding factor is if man will do his part? That is not grace, but is instead judicial. Grace, not works. We are under grace, and not under a judicial system, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

By grace,
Bob Krajcik
Mansfield, Ohio

 

Right on Bob.

 

The NIV says the same thing as the rest, but leaves out the "who is to believe". So one must interpret the 'we', 'us', or 'you' (Meaning someone other than God who does the work) to be a part of the text.

 

"...says, the work of God is for God to be the one who must believe in the one God sent, and that is simply not what John 6:29 says."

Wes, I'm confused here.

 

Are you having trouble with your colon Wes?

john.

 

If I am under a Judicial system, then the Apostle John is too!

I believe,

I have never seen a single person who was forced to believe in the Christ or that Jesus is from God come in human nature.

You have yet to prove that your doctrine of election is valid!

There is not a single man living and breathing on the earth today that is not under God's Grace. But there are many who are not saved by that grace! So, Bob Krajcik, your doctrine of "saved by Grace" is also suspect!

Yep, God has done HIS part, and it is up to man to believe or not believe. Those who believe are SAVED BY GOD! Those who don't are cast into the Lake of fire, BY THAT SAME GOD!