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I really don't know why you are asking me the question. All I said was "this is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent". To me, that means that is the only work that He is satisfied with. If I am wrong, I am open to correction. Really, it is Wes that is struggling with this verse and he has a habit of shouting at me.

Wes...I really don't care about your style of communicating on here. If you want to jump up and down and say you are a chicken, that's fine and dandy. All I asked you to do was to stop shouting at me. If you persist, I will have to do what everyone does about me. Report you to the moderators. 'nuff said...

 

Wes,

You are having a time of it. Perhaps it would help if you cheked things out a little before getting worked up. Check a reliable source if you would want to check out a passage of Scripture.

Psalms 110:3 (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

By grace,
Bob Krajcik
Manfield, Ohio

 

That is a very important point, especially when the passages of Scripture disagree with preconceived and errant notions.

 

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

Wes,

You are having a time of it. Perhaps it would help if you cheked things out a little before getting worked up. Check a reliable source if you would want to check out a passage of Scripture.

Psalms 110:3 (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

By grace,
Bob Krajcik
Manfield, Ohio </font>[/QUOTE]Looking at 10 different translations, Psalm 110, no matter what translation, addresses poetical prophesy concerning Jesus. Verse 3 does not support the point you were trying to make UNLESS you take it out of its context...a stupid thing to do!

 

That is a very important point, especially when the passages of Scripture disagree with preconceived and errant notions.

</font>[/QUOTE]That would be a profound statement Bob K, if you did not insist on taking a scripture that was not intended to be used "stand alone", and make it stand alone, thus altering its meaning to suit your own corrupt doctrine.

 

You are basing your belief that "belief is a work" upon John 6:29. The verse however does not support your belief because it does not address the belief that we are to have as a work! It instead, addresses the Work that God has already done that we are to believe in. Faith (belief) is not a work, except to a brainwashed Calvinist!

 

How can a man understand Scripture without Divine illumination? Just because we have Scripture doesn't mean we can understand it with the fallen mind.</font>[/QUOTE]WRONG answer! The answer is YES, man can understand enough of the scriptures to be convicted of sin, to understand that sin has a penalty, to understand that he is hopelessly condemned by his sin, to understand that there is a savior, and to know that he must believe in the savior, confess his sins, and repent from sinning.

That is all called the MILK of the word, and it was designed by God for man whom you say is totally depraved, unable to get anything whatever from the Word of God without first being regenerated thus enabling him to do so. It is that MILK OF THE WORD that regerates us into believers, so that we can understand the MEAT of the Word.

 

One more thought Whetstone, You claim that man is totally depraved, unable to understand what we have now in the form of "the written Word of God".

That written word, when laid down beside the writings of Homer, Aristotle, Robert Ludlow, or any other author, is no different to the depraved mind of man, it is words on paper. Yet you say that the depraved mind of man can understand Homer, etc. but cannot understand the writing of John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Paul, James, Peter, etc. Why is that? What makes the bible so difficult to understand? It is words on paper just like the others. Are you arbitrarily assigning some mysticism to the words on Paper the apostles wrote? Or are you merely parroting what one man named Calvin wrote about the bible which we believe is the Word of God!

 

Wes says:
That is all called the MILK of the word, and it was designed by God for man whom you say is totally depraved, unable to get anything whatever from the Word of God without first being regenerated thus enabling him to do so. It is that MILK OF THE WORD that regerates us into believers, so that we can understand the MEAT of the Word.

I say:
Actually before you are regenerated you're a dead man. Dead men don't drink milk.
Now when one is regenerated (born again), that's when the milk comes into play. After all that is what nourishes babes, right? RIGHT.

 

1 Corinthians 2 :14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

What does this scripture mean to you Wes?

 

Faith without works is dead. Where are you going with a dead faith?

By grace,
Bob Krajcik
Mnafield, Ohio

 

Wes,

Say, I’m not at all concerned about your ten different versions. I am not surprised that you would reject what I have quoted, for as usual, evidence is lacking for your claims. You need to be serious with the very word of God.

Psalms 110:3 (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Yes, a messianic prophesy concerning Jesus, and it speaks of the response of His people, those chosen before the foundation of the earth, those the Father gave Him and none of them is lost, their being willing in the day of His power. Before that they were at enmity towards God (Rom 8:5,7; 3:10-18). His people, the sheep, (not the goats) shall be willing in the day of His power. That is a precious truth. Those that are chosen hear (John 10:16), made willing (Ps 110:3; Joh 6:29,44-45; Ac 13:48; Ro 1:16; 1Th 1:5; 1Co 1:18; Ac 13:48). By His power we are saved, and by His power we are kept (Ac 11:18; Ro 16:25; 1Pe 1:5). As it is written, ye must be born again (Joh 3:7; 1Pe 1:2; 2Th 2:13; 1Jo 5:1,4).

Repeatedly you reply to my posts saying, Wrong, out of context. If you would actually discover something out of context, then show that to be so, but your railing on and on without evidence is not helpful. Such a tactic as your accusations when you have no evidence only causes confusion.

By grace,
Bob Krajcik
Mansfield, Ohio

 

If you have evidence to support your claims, then present it. As it is, repeatedly making such unfounded claims is not becoming the gospel of Christ.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

By grace,
Bob Krajcik
Mansfield, Ohio

 

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Originally posted by Wes, Outwest:
Looking at 10 different translations, Psalm 110, no matter what translation, addresses poetical prophesy concerning Jesus. Verse 3 does not support the point you were trying to make UNLESS you take it out of its context...a stupid thing to do!
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Bob K's reply:
Wes,

Say, I’m not at all concerned about your ten different versions. I am not surprised that you would reject what I have quoted, for as usual, evidence is lacking for your claims. You need to be serious with the very word of God.
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My comment:
Wes has even stated to me that one of the translations that he uses is not worth the paper it is printed on. So I don't even understand why he would waste his time on that one.

One Bible is sufficient,unless you're trying to get something to fit you're view.

 

—In the day of thy power. This refers in a general way to the gospel dispensation, and in particular to the period of conversion. To the perishing sinner the gospel comes, "not in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance." It is an arresting power; it meets the sinner, and stays his mad career, as in the case of Saul of Tarsus. It is a convincing power, it teaches the sinner that he is ruined in every respect, and leads him to cry out, "What shall I do to be saved?" ... It is a life giving power; it quickens dead souls, and will eventually bring the dead bodies from their graves; "all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God and shall live." This is the style of Jehovah, "it will, they shall"; none other dare speak thus. It is also liberating power; "if the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." —Theophilus Jones, in a Sermon preached at Surrey Chapel, 1823, copied from The Treasury of David.

 

Bob, I get the impression that you were trying to judge my Christianity based on my "Psalms" comment.

Yes, all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, etc. but that doesn't mean you BASE doctrine on a POETIC book. That is a simple rule of Bible study that I did not make up and I know you know the rule. You just thought you'd attempt to embarass me didn't you?