Non-KJBO lies

[michelle]

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No, I don't change Bibles. In the situation you describe, I study out the matter. Places like you describe are rare and minor. The Holy Spirit is not idle, and I have yet to find a difference that has caused me to doubt God's word or stumble in my faith: 30,000 chariots or 3,000 chariots does not affect my faith. The questionable age of Jehoiachin does not make me stumble. The NIV missing 1 John 5:7 or the KJV missing half of Jude 1:25 does not make me question my relationship with Christ. In fact, studying these things strengthens both my trust in scripture and my relationship with Jesus.
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John 16, and 17 - I recommend that you study, pray and meditate upon these verses in the KJB. The Holy Spirit leads us to all truth. He does not lead us to error and then have a compromise error. He will prompt us to separate from and reject the error.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

I already have, michelle.

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by LarryN:
RR wrote:

RR, it sounds like your definition of perfection differs from some KJVOs I've encountered then. Many will advocate that the KJV is a perfect, word-for-word rendering of God's Word in the english language.

No, you can put me in that category. I understand that translating from one language to another language there are words that cannot be translated, but I believe that is why the translators put those italics in there. Oh btw, I believe those italic words are inspired from God as well.

In 2 Kings 18:27 the King James uses a word that, in one variant or another, is used in the KJV eight times. Today that word is considered by most American believers to be profanity, or at the very least unnecessarily vulgar. If a Christian youth were to blurt out on an outing "Can you please stop at the next restroom, I need to ****", for example- he or she would probably face a stern lecture about profanity. Would you be willing to say that the word I'm referring to (used in the KJV) is God's perfect choice: the word He chose to inspire in the KJV; or would you say that it's an example of a word choice of some early 17th-century translators which has now taken on a less-than favorable slang connotation?

Well let's see, I would agree that "piss" is not in our everyday conversation. We would use today "urine." If you don't want to use it, then don't, but don't try and tear down the Bible because people have abused the word.

Also, if you use this word in the context that it is used here, it is fine, but when you are joking around, then I would not use it. Just another common sense thing to me. You make that call brother.

 

[LarryN]

Michelle writes:

My Final Authority does not have the apocrypha.

Since you refuse to tell us what your final authority is (whether it be the 1611, the 1769, or any of the other editions of the King James, how can we know that for a fact? If your final authority is the AV1611, it most certainly does include the Apocrypha.

Those who use modern versions, take the chance of having those inserted into the scriptures of their favorite flavor of the month, as those underlying texts include them.

As opposed to the TR??

My Final Authority does not attack the doctrines of the deity of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The modern versions do. Herin lies the difference that you all ENJOY ignoring and deceiving others about.

For approximately the 573rd time- would you provide even one example of how any MV attacks the Deity of Jesus. If you won't, then why not cease making this spurious accusation once and for all.

 

[LarryN]

Hey, RR gave me a reasonably direct answer!!

How do you feel about the KJV's use of the words "unicorn" and "satyr"? Are these God's inspired word choices, or simply the less-than ideal word selections of altogether "human" early 17th-century translators?

 

[LarryN]

Michelle wrote:

He will prompt us to separate from and reject the error.

Hence why so many of us on the BB adamently oppose KJVOism.

 

[robycop3]

Michelle:Then you believe in a god who is the author of confusion and a liar, and who also changes his mind. You are asking to be deceived even moreso than you already are. You rely upon the modern scholars of today first, rather than reliance and trust in God and his providence first.

Not actually...YOU are depending upon a group of 17th C. Anglican translators. You act as if God couldn't have used anyone else to have translated His word into English at any time.


You are justifying and condoning BLATANT ATTACKS on your precious Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in the modern versions.

Did you forget your Thorazine this morning?


This will be and is your folly. As Ed has said he knows his brother Hank. I KNOW MY LORD AND SAVIOUR, and KNOW HIS VOICE. John 16.

While reading something into His word that simply isn't there.

You say you're not KJVO. In that case, what other specific version(s) do you recommend? Or, are you lying about that, too?


Michelle:We believe you do. Your AUTOGRAPHS-ONLYISM is not scripturally supported, and in fact contradicts the scriptures - I will give many:

Where have I ever stated I supported such a belief? I've given you several days to search every message board I use. I post ONLY under the handles robycop3 or Steelmaker(Ezboard).

WHERE'S THE POST, MICHELLE?????????????

THIS AINT GONNA GO AWAY. You've done this before, attributing some statement to me or others when we've never made such statements. This tells us you're a liar, Michelle. Please read what Scripture says about liars. You stand convicted by your own false words such as those above.

 

[michelle]

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Based upon what criteria
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Based upon the history of it's use and acceptance and belief within the churches, and the EVIDENCE of it still today. Are you saved as the KJB informs you? Or are you "being" saved as the NIV informs you? Is Jesus Christ THE morning star as the KJB informs you? Or is Jesus Christ who is THE morning star falling from Heaven as the NIV informs you? Do you know that to be baptized in water, you must first believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God as the KJB informs you? Or are you left wondering. Are your sins forgiven you through the blood of Jesus Christ? Or are your sins just forgiven? Are there three that bear witness in Heaven: The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus Christ equal with God as a man? Or was Jesus not grasping to be God as a man?


John 14.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

Michelle said "Are you saved as the KJB informs you? Or are you "being" saved as the NIV informs you?"

Yes.

Michelle said "Is Jesus Christ THE morning star as the KJB informs you? Or is Jesus Christ who is THE morning star falling from Heaven as the NIV informs you?"

The NIV doesn't say Jesus is the morning star falling from heaven, that's a different morning star. The KJV has multiple morning stars too, and I don't get them confused either.

Michelle said "Are your sins forgiven you through the blood of Jesus Christ? Or are your sins just forgiven?"

Yes.

Michelle said "Are there three that bear witness in Heaven: The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost?"

Yes.

Michelle said "Was Jesus Christ equal with God as a man? Or was Jesus not grasping to be God as a man?"

Yes.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by RaptureReady:
Oh btw, I believe those italic words are inspired from God as well.

By virtue of what?

The KJV translators were not biblically qualified to receive direct inspiration.

The Bible (KJV and all others) sets forth qualifications for writers or authorizers of scripture. They are to be prophets, Apostles, and holy men of old.

There are several other means by which God validated the writings of a very select group as scripture: most of the writers of scripture performed miracles, many claimed that God spoke directly to/through them (by context it was in a special and tangible way rather than an impulse or sense of being led), the NT writers all witnessed the risen Christ and were taught by Him directly, several of the OT writers had a personal/physical encounter with God (Moses-Burning Bush, Abraham-Christophany, Samuel-being called in the night), many if not most of scripture's writers have fulfilled prophecies, the writings of these authors were recognized by the apostolic-first century church.

The KJV translators do not qualify biblically nor are they validated as inspired by any of the methods used by God in the Bible.

 

[michelle]

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Not actually...YOU are depending upon a group of 17th C. Anglican translators. You act as if God couldn't have used anyone else to have translated His word into English at any time.
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You are incorrect. I rely upon the providence of God concerning his words, and the EVIDENCE of it in our language. Many of you however, rely upon and trust heretics and apostates to give you what they "think" was God's words and that God is making them RECONSTRUCT his words after hundreds of years. You approach and believe your position which stems from DOUBT in God's words. I approach and believe this issue based upon FAITH in God's words. You have made man and his wisdom your idol which is your lie. I have recognized God and his wisdom which is my truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by Orvie:
Sorry RR, it simply doesn't work that way. Over 98% of N.T. MSS are in agreement, no matter which Family of MSS are used. (the other 2% are non essentials, i.e. not vital doctrines)...imagine this: You have 100 students sitting in a class, while one reads the page of the N.T, several minor mistakes are made, one word slightly changed, or misspelled, or other minor variations...even if ALL 100 have one different mistake, you can still reconstruct the text by comparison. i.e. you don't need to be paranoid of valid M.V.'s!

With that said, 100 students sitting in a class, while one reads the of the King James Bible, inadvertently, no mistakes are made, because the other 99 students read from the same page. Amazing isn't it!

 

[natters]

michelle said "Many of you however, rely upon and trust heretics and apostates to give you what they "think" was God's words and that God is making them RECONSTRUCT his words after hundreds of years."

That is untrue.

Michelle said "You approach and believe your position which stems from DOUBT in God's words."

That is untrue.

Michelle said "You have made man and his wisdom your idol which is your lie."

That is untrue.

 

[michelle]

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The NIV doesn't say Jesus is the morning star falling from heaven, that's a different morning star. The KJV has multiple morning stars too, and I don't get them confused either.
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Jesus Christ is THE MORNING STAR in both the KJB and the NIV. However, the NIV shows you that THE MORNING STAR falls from heaven. Sorry, that is blasphemy.

You cannot be saved, and being saved at the same time. You either are, or you are not. There is no "being" saved at all. This is the religion of the world to which is a lie, and not that of the truth.

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Michelle said "Are your sins forgiven you through the blood of Jesus Christ? Or are your sins just forgiven?"
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You show your confusion. How are you forgiven? Is it through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, or not? If it is, then how can you accept this version as your final authority, when it has deleted this important truth? There is NO EXCUSE for this. You are justifying, and compromising with error, to which we are commanded not to do.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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michelle said "Many of you however, rely upon and trust heretics and apostates to give you what they "think" was God's words and that God is making them RECONSTRUCT his words after hundreds of years."

That is untrue.

Michelle said "You approach and believe your position which stems from DOUBT in God's words."

That is untrue.

Michelle said "You have made man and his wisdom your idol which is your lie."

That is untrue.
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Just like the alcoholic who denies he has a problem.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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For approximately the 573rd time- would you provide even one example of how any MV attacks the Deity of Jesus. If you won't, then why not cease making this spurious accusation once and for all.
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Larry, don't act like you are stupid and ignorant about these things. You KNOW very well what these things are. Many here just choose to excuse them and justify them away, as if they were UNIMPORTANT. You all couldn't be further from the truth. Gen.3:1


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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I already have, michelle.
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You apparently have not, otherwise you wouldn't be compromising and justifying BLATANT errors. I wouldn't advice that you grieve the Holy Spirit of truth. He cannot be telling some of us one thing, and you another. You might want to think about that. John 14, 16, 17.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[LarryN]

Originally posted by michelle:
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For approximately the 573rd time- would you provide even one example of how any MV attacks the Deity of Jesus. If you won't, then why not cease making this spurious accusation once and for all.
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Larry, don't act like you are stupid and ignorant about these things. You KNOW very well what these things are. Many here just choose to excuse them and justify them away, as if they were UNIMPORTANT. You all couldn't be further from the truth. Gen.3:1


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

And yet I see that you still did not answer this legitimate question..........

Why not just admit that you've been somehow duped into believing the fraudulant claims of Riplinger, and her ilk?

 

[michelle]

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Since you refuse to tell us what your final authority is (whether it be the 1611, the 1769, or any of the other editions of the King James, how can we know that for a fact? If your final authority is the AV1611, it most certainly does include the Apocrypha.
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Again, you lie. My Final Authority does not include the Apocrypha. My Final Authority is the KJB and that Holy Bible that generations of believers have relied upon and trusted as the words of God, and continue to, to this very day.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

Michelle said "Jesus Christ is THE MORNING STAR in both the KJB and the NIV. However, the NIV shows you that THE MORNING STAR falls from heaven. Sorry, that is blasphemy."

It is a different morning star in Isa in the NIV. The KJV also has multiple morning stars (Job 38:7) and I don't get them confused either. The KJV also has more than one who is calls "the Son of Man" (Ezek 2:1) and I don't get those confused either. I recommend that you study, pray and meditate upon these verses in the KJB.

Michelle said "You cannot be saved, and being saved at the same time. You either are, or you are not. There is no "being" saved at all. This is the religion of the world to which is a lie, and not that of the truth."

Salvation is past ("saved", 1 Cor 15:2), present ("saving" Heb 10:39), and future ("shall be saved", Rom 5:9). I recommend that you study, pray and meditate upon these verses in the KJB.

Michelle said "You show your confusion. How are you forgiven? Is it through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, or not? If it is, then how can you accept this version as your final authority, when it has deleted this important truth?"

We are forgiven throught the shed blood of Jesus. No version deletes this important truth. Has Eph 4:32 in the KJV deleted this important truth? It does not mention the blood.

Michelle said "Just like the alcoholic who denies he has a problem."

No, just like the witness that denies the false witness that is brought against him.

Michelle said "You apparently have not"

I assure you, I have.

Michelle said "He cannot be telling some of us one thing, and you another. You might want to think about that."

I have thought about it, and I agree with you. But isn't that what you believe happened until God corrrected himself? You might want to think about that.