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[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by John Wells:
Scott said, "Then you go against the standard practice of academia, law, and so on. Failing to do so is plagarism."

You have found a nice diversion from your challenge which has completely unraveled on you. Everyone expresses ideas that they have picked up along the way from others in their own words. That is how knowledge matures and grows. If I had quoted MacArthur that would be different, but expressing what I learned from him in my own words is something we all do. So be careful about making serious accusations, Scott!

So what's your next digression? Still waiting for your answer to: "Closer to what?"

You personally said that you paraphrased from MacArthur. You were quite specific about that. If this was an issue that you have obtained by assimilating a bunch of information, that would be one thing. Instead, you are taking one person's words, changing the wording, and claiming as your own. This is still dishonest, no matter how you wish to slant it.

Closer to Truth.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Rev. Joshua:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SheEagle9/11:
In what way? Separation from what? Transformation from what to what? In what ways do you preach/teach we are to be separate from the world? In what ways are we to be transformed?

SheEagle,

For my thoughts on the need for transforming ourselves, click here.

For my thoughts on transforming the world, click here.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It's been a busy couple of days and I took the weekend off.

Joshua </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing these messages. Even though I may disagree with you about the nature of homosexuality in the church (though not so much as others on the board), I do appreciate your words on transforming ourselves and transforming the words. It is my hope that others on the board may read it and be open to the wisdom found within.

Do you post all of your messages? Does someone transcribe them, or do you use manuscripts to preach?

 

[gb93433]

Plagarism is using someone else's material and making it your own. Wherever you got the source of your informantion you must document it. How do we know that you actually quoted the material correctly and in its context if you do not document?

"When in doubt document."

 

[John Wells]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
You personally said that you paraphrased from MacArthur. You were quite specific about that. If this was an issue that you have obtained by assimilating a bunch of information, that would be one thing. Instead, you are taking one person's words, changing the wording, and claiming as your own. This is still dishonest, no matter how you wish to slant it.

Closer to Truth.

And what is the difference between that and my more detailed explanation? You are the one twisting and slanting, trying to save face! Argumentative and silly distraction # 2!

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by gb93433:
Plagarism is using someone else's material and making it your own. Wherever you got the source of your informantion you must document it. How do we know that you actually quoted the material correctly and in its context if you do not document?

"When in doubt document."

Thanks, gb93433. The fact that John pulled that out to argue out of everything about makes one wonder who is really trying to dodge the question.

 

[LadyEagle]

Josh, thanks for getting back to me.

But the Garden of Eden a fable?

If one believes that is just a fable, then it would not be a big jump from there that homosexuality is not sin, would it?

 

[John Wells]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
Thanks, gb93433. The fact that John pulled that out to argue out of everything about makes one wonder who is really trying to dodge the question.

Oh, he's elated that somebody finally sides with him! As to your last PM, Scott, it was very touching. I'll weigh that agaist the several PMs in the last few days from others encouraging me and saying they appreciate me "standing firm" on many contentious issues. I am a former moderator of this board and esteemed (I think ) by those who run it. So I don't need your approval to make my day.

As to this petty plagiarism accusation that you have drummed up, I will state, once again, that the words I wrote commenting on scripture were my own. When you challenged them, I pointed out that MacArthur says the same thing, basically. In reading his comments, I agreed that was how I understood the verses as well, and used my own words to echo that. That, in no way, constitutes plagiarism, or everyone on this board would be guilty of it. That is my final response to your unfounded and ill conceived accusation.

 

[John Wells]

Originally posted by SheEagle9/11:
Josh, thanks for getting back to me.

But the Garden of Eden a fable?

If one believes that is just a fable, then it would not be a big jump from there that homosexuality is not sin, would it?

Oh, you'll quickly learn that Joshua's Bible is of the three-ring binder variety, and he has removed lots of pages he doesn't like!

So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. (1 Corinthians 15:45-49)

Now he's got to remove at least part of 1 Corinthians too, but not a problem . . . it's a three-ring Bible!

 

[Rev. Joshua]

John,

I've never removed a single page from my Bible or denied the significance of a single passage. You could just as easily accuse fundamentalists of throwing whole books of the Bible out when they ignore the Levitical Code or ignore the very words of Jesus regarding topics like wealth.

Joshua

P.S. Scott, I shot you an e-mail in answer to your question. I do write manuscripts for my sermons as part of the preparation process, but I do not preach from them verbatim. I hate being read to, and I assume my congregants feels likewise.

 

[John Wells]

OK Joshua, honest question that begs an honest answer:

Why is it that you believe in the miracles of Jesus (I assume you do), healings, raising Lazarus from the dead, etc., but you do not believe in many of the OT miracles of God, such as the 6-day creation, Adam and Eve, Jonah in the belly of the whale. Not sure if you believe Elijah called down fire from heaven to burn up a water logged sacrifice?

As I see it, by the passage I quoted in my last post, your position makes Paul a liar! How about:

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli . . . the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. (Luke 3:23-38)

Now you've got Luke a liar too! How do you reconcile Genesis 1-11 and Adam as myth?