Not all Vaccines (and I use the word loosely) are created alike

[asterisktom]

For those of you that think all of the batches of the mRNA vaccines are the same you might want to check out the following link:
How Bad is my Batch ?

The point is not just that Pfizer differs from Moderna, but that within each brand there is great variance.

I suggest you look around this rather large site. For instance, on the home page we come across this startling information:

"5% of the batches appear to have produced 90% of the adverse reactions.

"Some Pfizer batches are associated with 30 x the number of deaths and disabilities compared to other batches."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thanks for the tip….would never have imagined! Not that I haven’t buried a sister from a bad vaccine.

 

[Reynolds]

I thought @JonC had a sticky telling us the vax was safe and effective.
Of course, we all know the vaxes are neither.
I saw the mask Nazis on news last night pushing for universal N95 mandates because "the MRNA vaccines are not effective against OMICRON.".

 

[Wingman68]

In my house we have taken no vaccine, taken no testing, only wore a mask when required to get groceries. The mothers of my grandchildren know we have not been vaccinated, & we haven’t physically seen them in nearly two years. I do not ask if they will vaccinate the children as I prefer to remain ignorant on that subject, & it would not improve any relationship to fruitlessly try to intervene with my opinion which they already know. Even before the covid shots, I expressed great concern with having multiple vaccines given to the children on the same day, but the pede doc tells them no worries, & it saves on office visits. I said whatever amount of visits would be worth it if it saved this child from autism. Parental advise is so outdated when you are a modern mom though……ok. The losses from this plandemic go far deeper than the obvious.

 

[Reynolds]

In my house we have taken no vaccine, taken no testing, only wore a mask when required to get groceries. The mothers of my grandchildren know we have not been vaccinated, & we haven’t physically seen them in nearly two years. I do not ask if they will vaccinate the children as I prefer to remain ignorant on that subject, & it would not improve any relationship to fruitlessly try to intervene with my opinion which they already know. Even before the covid shots, I expressed great concern with having multiple vaccines given to the children on the same day, but the pede doc tells them no worries, & it saves on office visits. I said whatever amount of visits would be worth it if it saved this child from autism. Parental advise is so outdated when you are a modern mom though……ok. The losses from this plandemic go far deeper than the obvious.

The school is pesting me now about my son not being current on his vaxes. For now, I am ignoring them. I will eventually give them a religious exemption.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I thought @JonC had a sticky telling us the vax was safe and effective.
Of course, we all know the vaxes are neither.
I saw the mask Nazis on news last night pushing for universal N95 mandates because "the MRNA vaccines are not effective against OMICRON.".

And so masks are the answer?!? RIGHT.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My brother was forced to take a weekly test and continues to get pressured. Even today.

there is a name for all this, it’s called Fear Porn.

 

[JonC]

I thought @JonC had a sticky telling us the vax was safe and effective.
Of course, we all know the vaxes are neither.
I saw the mask Nazis on news last night pushing for universal N95 mandates because "the MRNA vaccines are not effective against OMICRON.".

You thought wrong. Here is the sticky.

Vaccine Facts.

 

[Wingman68]

You thought wrong. Here is the sticky.

Vaccine Facts.

From the very first paragraph of the Pfizer papers provided by your sticky:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older.

Is this the same as posting lies? How about when you told us all that you could walk into all kinds of places in the CSRA & receive the ‘Comirnaty’ version? You never retracted that either.

 

[Wingman68]

 

[asterisktom]

You thought wrong. Here is the sticky.

Vaccine Facts.

Well, it is true that the Pfizer paper did not claim safe and effective. I have not read through the other two yet.

Pfizer admits "Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the ... Vaccine."

And elsewhere - cannot find it now - they basically admit that it may not be effective against Covid.

So there is clearly a danger of adverse reactions. And, number two, it may not even do what it was supposed to do.

So why even get it? God gave us an immune system. Why trash that with this dubious and dangerous substance?

BTW, the paper makes no mention of the really important ingredients in the vials, graphene oxide and other nano-particles. Or the fact that they vary from batch to batch. (as you can see by the links I provided).

There is a lot of duplicity and half-truths here. Of course it is naive in the extreme to expect forthrightness from these three corporations. This is their cash cow. Christians,of all people, should be clear on this. I do not trust anything they print, except maybe getting their email address right.

Going to them for truly trustworthy information is like consulting Mormons, Jehovahs WItnesses, and liberals to understand Christology.

BTW, the graphene oxide and those other unwelcome particles may not be in all batches or to the same concentration. But they should not be in there at all. If anyone is interested in good sources on this I would be happy to oblige.

Here is one that may be of interest. These types of links are almost never found in sites like Google or DuckDUckGo. I suggest Swisscows, Yandex, or maybe StartPage.

 

[asterisktom]

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And consider also that many of the adverse reactions go unreported to VAERS. The doctors have no real incentive to do so. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[JonC]

Well, it is true that the Pfizer paper did not claim safe and effective. I have not read through the other two yet.

Pfizer admits "Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the ... Vaccine."

And elsewhere - cannot find it now - they basically admit that it may not be effective against Covid.

So there is clearly a danger of adverse reactions. And, number two, it may not even do what it was supposed to do.

So why even get it? God gave us an immune system. Why trash that with this dubious and dangerous substance?

BTW, the paper makes no mention of the really important ingredients in the vials, graphene oxide and other nano-particles. Or the fact that they vary from batch to batch. (as you can see by the links I provided).

There is a lot of duplicity and half-truths here. Of course it is naive in the extreme to expect forthrightness from these three corporations. This is their cash cow. Christians,of all people, should be clear on this. I do not trust anything they print, except maybe getting their email address right.

Going to them for truly trustworthy information is like consulting Mormons, Jehovahs WItnesses, and liberals to understand Christology.

BTW, the graphene oxide and those other unwelcome particles may not be in all batches or to the same concentration. But they should not be in there at all. If anyone is interested in good sources on this I would be happy to oblige.

Here is one that may be of interest. These types of links are almost never found in sites like Google or DuckDUckGo. I suggest Swisscows, Yandex, or maybe StartPage.

The reason I think it is important to provide what is actually being put out by the pharmesutical companies is it forms a baseline for review, critique and criticism.

I have always said my biggest concern is the suspension and the purity of the suspension as the vaccines were mass produced and n several facilities. I suppose this is true with any vaccine.


The sticky does not contain my opinions on the effective or safety of those vaccines. My opinion doesn't matter and I refuse to offer any advice on getting a vaccine (that's up to the individual).

But too many here (not you) want that sticky removed because it disproves their conspiracy theories.

My view is we should discuss legitimate issues, not invent issues. And there was a lot to be discussed.

 

[JonC]

From the very first paragraph of the Pfizer papers provided by your sticky:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older.

Is this the same as posting lies? How about when you told us all that you could walk into all kinds of places in the CSRA & receive the ‘Comirnaty’ version? You never retracted that either.

It is posting the documentation that was provided during the EUA for the vaccine.


The trade name came over a year after the pdf was published.

It is the exact same vaccine. Even experts opposed to the vaccine do not deny this. Their argument is from a legal (trade name) position, not the actual product.

 

[JonC]

@Wingman reminds me of a customer we had years ago.

We were an American Standard dealer. The man did his research and decided he wanted an American Standard AC unit.

When we unboxed the unit it was a Trane. The guy went into detail about his research and how much better American Standard was than Trane. He wanted the product he purchased, which was fine.

I called American Standard and they brought me a decal to replace the Trane decal.

The units were exactly the same. What made them different was the name. Pop off the Trane decal, pop on the American Standard decal, and register it as an American Standard.

 

[Wingman68]

It is posting the documentation that was provided during the EUA for the vaccine.


The trade name came over a year after the pdf was published.

It is the exact same vaccine. Even experts opposed to the vaccine do not deny this. Their argument is from a legal (trade name) position, not the actual product.

It was the only ‘approved’ vaccine. They ran that out to appease those who were ‘hesitant’, all the while knowing that it was not being administered to anyone. I think they call that ‘smoke & mirrors’. I was never hesitant. That would assume that I could be persuaded, not a chance.

I don’t care if it was identical, it was the only one that anyone could be held to account for. You know this. You also know that you said IT was available to anyone. It wasn’t. I provided you proof that it was not available in SC or anywhere else when you said it was. You just dummy up when it suits you. Doesn’t change what you said, OR that you refused to admit it.

 

[JonC]

It was the only ‘approved’ vaccine. They ran that out to appease those who were ‘hesitant’, all the while knowing that it was not being administered to anyone. I think they call that ‘smoke & mirrors’. I was never hesitant. That would assume that I could be persuaded, not a chance.

I don’t care if it was identical, it was the only one that anyone could be held to account for. You know this. You also know that you said IT was available to anyone. It wasn’t. I provided you proof that it was not available in SC or anywhere else when you said it was. You just dummy up when it suits you. Doesn’t change what you said, OR that you refused to admit it.

The vaccine was available. It is just like a Trane AC vs an American Standard AC. The product is the same. And the established name (the Pfizer-biotech COVID vaccine) along with the trade name is listed on the approval.

"On August 23, 2021, FDA announced the first approval of a COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and the approved vaccine is marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older."

 

[percho]

Why are so many people, worldwide, dying in 2021 into 2022 than died in previous years? Why are they dying of, "unknown," causes?

 

[Roy]

Thanks for the tip….would never have imagined! Not that I haven’t buried a sister from a bad vaccine.

My brother-in-law died 12 hours after getting the Moderna shot. How long was it between your sisters vax and death?
Also I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[percho]

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