Not merited is the primary condition of election!

[Psalty]

I hope its Gods will for you to stop scoffing the Truth as calvinism

Still no scripture I see. For all you quote out of context, you cant deny Rom 3:26-28.

And the only reason I harp on this is that you try to put non-calvinists to the test, but can’t stand up to scripture when your view is put to the test. It’s good to drive this home again and again with every response of yours that has no foundation so everyone can see it over and over. No Scriptural Foundation for the Calvinist View of Faith as a Work… Just the Opposite!

 

[Brightfame52]

Still no scripture I see.

You call it calvinism

 

[Brightfame52]

I agree, it is the responsibility of the lost to accept .

Thats works salvation

 

[Psalty]

You call it calvinism

This chain of your replies not responding with scripture just strengthens the scriptural teaching that faith is not a work.

This thread is a wonderful demonstration to all readers how unscriptural your view of faith being a work is! (I didnt even call it Calvinism for you… just your view alone )

 

[Brightfame52]

This chain of your replies not responding with scripture just strengthens the scriptural teaching that faith is not a work.

This thread is a wonderful demonstration to all readers how unscriptural your view of faith being a work is! (I didnt even call it Calvinism for you… just your view alone )

You havent said anything scriptural. You posted Rom 3 26-28 okay I agree with that. However those scriptures doesnt say the unscriptural comment you made which I labeled as works. You said this:

It is our responsibility to accept the righteousness of Christ by faith and wear those clothes!

Theres no scripture saying that junk, thats works. And Rom 3:26-28 doesnt say that

 

[Psalty]

You havent said anything scriptural. You posted Rom 3 26-28 okay I agree with that. However those scriptures doesnt say the unscriptural comment you made which I labeled as works. You said this:



Theres no scripture saying that junk, thats works. And Rom 3:26-28 doesnt say that

You can word game if you want. What I used in that quote is the description of faith. Put that word in there instead if it makes you happy.

You still refuse to address that the Bible says Faith is not a work in Rom 3:26-28! You have said that Faith is a work, even with scripture directly contradicting you!

 

[Brightfame52]

You can word game if you want.

Its not a game. Your twisted logic isnt scriptural.

 

[Van]

I just read that statement “condition for election” as “nobody can be saved unless they need to be.”
Since that is where everyone is, it just looks to me like he said everyone is eligible. It doesn’t mean that everyone will be saved. In that he said primary, he acknowledges other conditions that must be met. Chronologically, you must be in need of the Saviour to have faith in Him as Saviour.
If there is something in undertones of the statement made by @37818, it is not evident to me.

Of course we need to recognize our need to be saved. But the "Condition of Election" refers to God's criteria or lack thereof.

 

[Brightfame52]

Of course we need to recognize our need to be saved.

God gives His elect to realize their need when He regenerates them, its a gift of grace

 

[Van]

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Not of works being a condition is not nonsense

More nonsense, the conditional is having faith that God credits as righteousness. Everything else is NOT the "Condition of Election."

 

[Van]

Thats works salvation

Yet another demonstration of biblical illiteracy. Faith is according to grace, not works.

 

[Van]

God gives His elect to realize their need when He regenerates them, its a gift of grace

Yet another Calvinist jabbering on and on, using one fiction after another. Folks scripture is clear, God chooses individuals for salvation on the basis of crediting their faith as righteousness. Our faith does not merit or earn salvation, but it does gain access to the opportunity of receiving God's grace, turning our sow's ear faith into silk purse faith. God chooses individual through "faith in the truth," and God decides whose faith meets His purpose of election. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another demonstration of biblical illiteracy. Faith is according to grace, not works.

Yeah Faith is according to Grace because its wrought in the elect by the Grace of the Spirit, its not in the natural man.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another Calvinist jabbering on and on, using one fiction after another. Folks scripture is clear, God chooses individuals for salvation on the basis of crediting their faith as righteousness. Our faith does not merit or earn salvation, but it does gain access to the opportunity of receiving God's grace, turning our sow's ear faith into silk purse faith. God chooses individual through "faith in the truth," and God decides whose faith meets His purpose of election. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

God gives the elect sinner a mourning for their sins Matt 5

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Its a blessing of the Covenant of Grace.

When the publican did this Lk 18:13

3 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other

He did that because God gave him that frame when He regenerated him, he had already blessed him and caused him to mourn his sinfulness

 

[Psalty]

No thats faith. Faith is not a work. Per Paul. [Quote Rom 3:26-28]

No its works

You can call Paul’s understanding of faith being an action of man that merits grace as much as you want. Its a good argument for your system; but it is just that, a philosophical argument that contradicts scripture directly.

Again, I leave this here. FAITH IS NOT A WORK, contrary to what you said above in quotes. I leave the scripture as a testimony against your philosophy:

for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
— Romans 3:26-28

 

[Brightfame52]

You can call Paul’s understanding of faith being an action of man that merits grace as much as you want. Its a good argument for your system; but it is just that, a philosophical argument that contradicts scripture directly.

Your teachings are anti Paul, they come from your imagination

 

[Psalty]

God gives the elect sinner a mourning for their sins Matt 5

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Its a blessing of the Covenant of Grace.

When the publican did this Lk 18:13

3 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other

He did that because God gave him that frame when He regenerated him, he had already blessed him and caused him to mourn his sinfulness

None of those verses that you quoted as your proof say that God is the one doing it… you read that into the text: its not there.

Edit:
No “God caused mourning” in the text.
No: “God gave him that frame and regenrated”
No text, all you!

 

[Psalty]

Your teachings are anti Paul, they come from your imagination

I can tell that you cant handle the Scriptural fortress against you… its why you have no scripture to answer and only deflect with generalities!

Glory to Gods Word! It never fails!

 

[Brightfame52]

None of those verses that you quoted as your proof say that God is the one doing it…

Didnt say that, Gods Blessing causes it. Matt 5:4

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Godly sorrow comes from a Godly source 2 Cor 7:10

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

God gives repentance Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

I can tell that you cant handle the Scriptural fortress against you… its why you have no scripture to answer and only deflect with generalities!

Glory to Gods Word! It never fails!

You havent stated nothing but lies.