Now Some GOP Starting to Blame the Unvaxed For Surge

[Wingman68]

Or the Falun Gong-run Epoch Times?

I’d put stock in those who have escaped communist rule, & tout freedom is everything over some tool who wants me to give up freedoms & accept corrupt dictates. The Epoch Times is delivered to my door every Friday. Having not had a newspaper in my hands for years, & with the wealth & diversity of articles, all which are worthwhile, I’m a happy camper. Haven’t been led down any garden path by them yet. So…….

 

[Wingman68]

Here’s an example of stories reported this week by Epoch Times:
An executive order, #14008, ‘Tackling climate change at home & abroad’, increases Federal land & water from the current level of 12% to 30% in 9 yrs. That means taking control of land the size of Nebraska, every year for nine yrs. Really? That’s a pretty big EO, with a LOT of possibilities.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Based on the expertise of the "doctors" here at Baptistboard? Or the Falun Gong-run Epoch Times?

Based on my experiences with the crack US medical profession

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes.

People confuse the "survival" rate with recovery.

I have a friend who has just survived COVID (or at least, she made it off the ventilator), but her kidneys are gone and she has severe lung damage. If you call that recovery, she's good.

Plus, even 1% of the population lost to COVID-19 is an appallingly high number.

So how do these vaccines stop that from happening? I have heard testimonies that says first that they come with their own potential problems and they don’t provide great efficacy. What is the next path to sound health? Is it now booster shots!?! And ,maybe I’m harping on this but people like my wife with compromised immune systems that must take certain chemotherapy drugs for their very survival. The drug / vaccine efficacy goes down effectively rendering the vax as insignificant… what’s their alternatives?

 

[Reynolds]

So how do these vaccines stop that from happening? I have heard testimonies that says first that they come with their own potential problems and they don’t provide great efficacy. What is the next path to sound health? Is it now booster shots!?! And ,maybe I’m harping on this but people like my wife with compromised immune systems that must take certain chemotherapy drugs for their very survival. The drug / vaccine efficacy goes down effectively rendering the vax as insignificant… what’s their alternatives?

Dr on Hanniry today said anyone who has T Cell antibodies would be stupid to take vaccine.

 

[Benjamin]

Is the high recovery rate a fallacy? Is it something that the right-wing has made up?

I did not make that claim(s) so your question amounts to "Strawman Fallacy".

98+% recovery rate! If the recovery rate is so high, why in the world do we need a vaccine? It's not about the safety of the American people, it's about money and control...period!

[Sarcasm] Heck, only 2 out of hundred, drop in the bucket, with 330,000,000 in the USA that would only be 6 1/2 million people, why would we want to vaccinate people for a mere 2%? [/Sarcasm]

It's not about the safety of the American people, it's about money and control...period!

It about more than that, many people like me believe value that 2% pretty highly and if far many more lives can be saved because of a modern vaccine that would end this virus similar to what we did with Polio and Smallpox then that is what this is about for me, period! I put political ideology completely aside as I reason about the vaccine.

If it were about the people, the Biden Administration wouldn't be letting thousands of untested illegals into the country.

Again, I never claimed Biden is for the people and as for your argument about the Biden Administration not caring about people and letting in illegals I totally agree but don't see that argument supporting the actual premise of not using a vaccine - and besides Trump was the man who wisely pursued this vaccine's development, cut all the FDA red tape preventing or severely delaying mRNA from use even after like 40 years of study.

Get real! People have used their reasoning skills. Many of us haven't been listening to the Conservative networks. Many of us turned those off several years ago because of their being fickle. I don't watch the news, and I don't care much what they have to say.

I stay somewhat informed, often by reading between the lines and still use my reasoning skills too.

I consult with doctors, nurses and other health professionals, and MANY of them have agreed that this "pandemic" is nothing more than the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the world, and the first steps towards a one-world government, health system, and religion.

That sounds like political talk and I might agree, but again does not address the premise of the vaccine.

This started out as a dry run, but as more and more articles come across the ticker and are spoken of stating that state governments need to start MANDATING vaccinations, and making employers do the same, as well as the Federal government being told by the MSM that anyone on medicare, Medicaid or other public healthcare systems should be FORCED to accept the vaccine or lose benefits. So much for "Land of the free, home of the brave..."

I think we agree here on being forced as per my post you quoted:

I would fight for the right of people not to take the vaccine if that is their choice,...

People have been drive into despair and terror by the continual brow-beating of the Wuhan Flu information station, and most have started to drink the government Kool-Aid! Not me, thanks.

I'm starting to see the problem as propaganda coming from political ideologists that are all drinking the Kool-Aid that the only reason not to go against the vaccine would amount to being brainwashed by Liberals and giving in, - that would be a False Dilemma Fallacy...

 

[AVL1984]

I did not make that claim(s) so your question amounts to "Strawman Fallacy".

They were just questions...don't make yourself out to be so special. Seems like everyone who can' t handle being questioned uses this excuse.


[Sarcasm] Heck, only 2 out of hundred, drop in the bucket, with 330,000,000 in the USA that would only be 6 1/2 million people, why would we want to vaccinate people for a mere 2%? [/Sarcasm]

You're trying to tell me that 2 out of every 100 die of the coronavirus? Where do you get these statistics? Around 99+% recover from the virus. The deaths are few and far between. Many of the deaths that have covid listed as a contributing factor haven't been proven to have covid at all, but are "probable." Big difference in established and probable.

It about more than that, many people like me believe value that 2% pretty highly and if far many more lives can be saved because of a modern vaccine that would end this virus similar to what we did with Polio and Smallpox then that is what this is about for me, period! I put political ideology completely aside as I reason about the vaccine.


Again, I never claimed Biden is for the people and as for your argument about the Biden Administration not caring about people and letting in illegals I totally agree but don't see that argument supporting the actual premise of not using a vaccine - and besides Trump was the man who wisely pursued this vaccine's development, cut all the FDA red tape preventing or severely delaying mRNA from use even after like 40 years of study.

Again, nobody claimed you said Biden did this. You seem to like playing a victim and stating that people have said you said something...UGH!


I stay somewhat informed, often by reading between the lines and still use my reasoning skills too.

Good for you!


That sounds like political talk and I might agree, but again does not address the premise of the vaccine.

The premise of the need for the vaccine is flawed, especially in light of the recovery rate. There is NO ESTABLISHED need for the vaccine.

I think we agree here on being forced as per my post you quoted:




I'm starting to see the problem as propaganda coming from political ideologists that are all drinking the Kool-Aid that the only reason not to go against the vaccine would amount to being brainwashed by Liberals and giving in, - that would be a False Dilemma Fallacy..

False. It's established fact that people are living in unnecessary fear of the coronavirus, and this fear has been propogated by the government, the medical community, and the top 1% (wealthy) who have profited from this situation.

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