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Now that Muhammed is guilty by jury, we need a hangin'.
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Daniel David
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Moses did not commit murder. He intervened in the protection of one who was not able to defend himself.
If someone breaks into my home and harms a family member, he can fully expect 6 shotgun shells through the chest. That isn't murder.
Murder in Scripture is the unjust killing of those who do not deserve it. Not all killing is murder.
This is just so simple and basic.
Jim, I did not appreciate the blast toward americans either. You never hear me talk of canada as America Junior, or as American sewage. I expect more.
If someone breaks into my home and harms a family member, he can fully expect 6 shotgun shells through the chest. That isn't murder.
Murder in Scripture is the unjust killing of those who do not deserve it. Not all killing is murder.
This is just so simple and basic.
Jim, I did not appreciate the blast toward americans either. You never hear me talk of canada as America Junior, or as American sewage. I expect more.
Could it possibly be that God used Moses as His instrument of judgment against the Egyptian man who was unjustly cruel to the Israelites? Further, could be that God had plans to use Moses for His own purposes to bring about the deliverance of His chosen people from Egyptian bondage?
Finally, you can't use Scripture to impune God. He is God and we are His creatures. His mind is not like our minds, His ways are not our ways. He gives the commands and we must obey Him.
What is it that he commanded us to do?
Matthew 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to those that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you".
Not drag those that you consider society's garbage to the electric chair and kill them.
Matthew 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to those that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you".
Not drag those that you consider society's garbage to the electric chair and kill them.
Do you not know that this is referring to people as individuals while capital punishment is given to the state as the state. You are certainly right than an individual cannot pursue capital punishment on his own. However, to use this verse against capital punishment is a misuse of Scripture. It is not referring to the government, or the state, to whom God "gave the sword."
ON the very good point made I believe by Helen, that of Man being made in the image of God and that therefore the life of a human demands another life, surely the Man most in the image of God was Jesus Himself; we as a race put Him to death and yet God did not and does not demand our lives be forfeit. Surely as imitators, or would-be emulators at least, of God, we should do no less?
Yours in Christ
Matt
Yours in Christ
Matt
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dianetavegia
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Thank you Jacob! I have a good number of Baptist Canadian pen pals and have for years. I appreciate your kind remarks.
Diane Tavegia
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Attitudes such as this come from the same place that makes people rubber neck at traffic accidents and fires,cheer when someone is executed or hanged, laugh at someones misfortune. It's also what draws people to watch Jerry Springer.
Righteous indignation does not salavate at the thought of someone elses punishment.
Daniel David
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Sorry, public execution was done under the Old Covenant (God's law for a nation of saved and unsaved people). That was the best way to prevent others from committing the same crime.
If we had a public hangin' and he swung for a couple of days, we wouldn't have alot of capital offenses.
If we had a public hangin' and he swung for a couple of days, we wouldn't have alot of capital offenses.
Why is it then that the majority of states that do not have the death penalty in the U.S actually have a lower incidence of Murder?
Also I am interested to know which Christian Denominations activley support Capital Punishment in the U.S.
How about Baptists? How many Baptist Denominations are in favour of Capital Punishment?
Also I am interested to know which Christian Denominations activley support Capital Punishment in the U.S.
How about Baptists? How many Baptist Denominations are in favour of Capital Punishment?
When capital punishment was legal and done in public in Canada, common theft was punishable by hanging. Great crowds would gather and even bring picnic baskets. Whilst a theft was hanged on the public gallows, sometimes decapitated by the noose, od=ften strangled to death, with feet kicking out,,,,,,,,much like the coloured folk who were hanged from trees back in the fifties and even sixties, by many of the same people who hail capital punishment to-day, amongst the crowds were people picking pockets, who, if caught, would be hanged from those same gallows. Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent. If it were so, Texas would be the cleanest state in the USA. It kills more people than any other state,,almost any other country, yet has the highest rate of mortal crimes.
Cheers,
Jim
Cheers,
Jim
The Covenant with Noah establishes capital punishment. This is a covenant established to last as long as the Earth, a covenant not related to God's salvation plan, but obviousy (from its provisions) intended to govern the earth until the consummation of all things.
Having said that, capital punishment should be entered into only with the most solid of evidence, and it should be done as humanely as possible. If you knew prison guards (as I have known in the past) who must watch over dangerous men serving life without parole, you would understand why there has to be an ultimate punishment.
As for Paul's comments in Romans 13, a sword is a sword. The sword is born by the police, who protect the state from internal threats, by the military, which should protect the state from external threats, and by the judicial entity (whatever it might be called) which punishes evil doers. And the particular state about which Paul wrote was neither democratic nor righteous; it was the Roman Empire.
What is Christ's comment on this? "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."
Having said that, capital punishment should be entered into only with the most solid of evidence, and it should be done as humanely as possible. If you knew prison guards (as I have known in the past) who must watch over dangerous men serving life without parole, you would understand why there has to be an ultimate punishment.
As for Paul's comments in Romans 13, a sword is a sword. The sword is born by the police, who protect the state from internal threats, by the military, which should protect the state from external threats, and by the judicial entity (whatever it might be called) which punishes evil doers. And the particular state about which Paul wrote was neither democratic nor righteous; it was the Roman Empire.
What is Christ's comment on this? "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."
The Scripture endorses capital punishment by the government. It is MAN'S failure, not God's, that it is not working.
At the same time, the "pick axe" mentality or gawking crowd at a "hangin'" is not acceptable to modern sensibilities.
Thank God some nations believed in capital punishment, or Jesus would never have died on a cross. God used the law of His Word and laws of society to fulfill His plan.
At the same time, the "pick axe" mentality or gawking crowd at a "hangin'" is not acceptable to modern sensibilities.
Thank God some nations believed in capital punishment, or Jesus would never have died on a cross. God used the law of His Word and laws of society to fulfill His plan.