Now you too can be

[Iconoclast]

Yes....just when you thought their were enough labels to describe what and how people have believed we now find that in a few easy steps you can now be a Vanwinmanian!
How you ask? Is it hard to do?
No ....anyone can do it !!! ...lets see how-

First take clear passages of scripture, then explain them away:thumbsup:
Like this:
Well, I am sure I will gets lots of disagreement
but I understand John 10:26-27 like this. {this is how to misunderstand it}
God in his foreknowledge knew who would believe in time{wrong use of foreknowledge}
and chose or elected these persons. {nothing in man commends itself to God}
These are his sheep.
Those that God knew would not believe in time are not his sheep. :laugh:
No matter how many people try and offer correction and a proper understanding of the verses........just keep repeating the errors over and over and over.....until people get put into a trance.
No need to concern yourself with what the words actually mean ...or those pesky greek and hebrew words......Just tell everyone how YOU feel about the verses:wavey:
In fact when someone offers the correct understanding....claim they are following a man made system and ignore the good verses they offered:thumbs: Here are more examples of how to never understand most any verse:

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"of My sheep" and "My sheep" refers to two different groups, my sheep refers to those who belong to Jesus, and therefore are saved already, they are the sheep of His pasture. On the other hand, of My sheep refers to people who are open to the gospel, folks that can receive the gospel with joy. Therefore, people who are not "of My sheep" are not receptive to the gospel

Did you get that...lol...see anyone can do this!!!

here are some more;

Naturally, I totally disagree with thinking "foreknowledge" refers to foreseeing individuals before they are created

If you study how the words are used biblically, the idea is knowledge formulated or acquired in the past being used in the present.

lol....

You must not read well, I said God in his foreknowledge sees who will believe and he (God) elects or chooses those persons.

God can choose to elect a person for any reason he sees fit. If he chooses to elect those who he sees will believe, what is that to you?

or this classic we have seen about 50 times,,,,,

I believe men are born upright, but all men through their own free will choose to sin and become evil.
Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

They word "they" points directly to the word "man" showing this verse is speaking of all men, not just Adam.

All scripture supports this, scripture always speaks of man "going astray" or "turning to their own way", or "becoming unprofitable" which shows originally they were upright but went astray in sin and became sinful.

Just go on and on saying how you feel regardless of what the bible really teaches.....make the posts very long.....and remember at all times to oppose the historic confessions of faith!!!

 

[Iconoclast]

If you are still not sure ....here are more examples from recent threads;

My view reads into the passage "no one understands, no one seeks God when they are sinning.

And again, the "unconditional election" of the twins occurred during their lifetime, not before creation

But the issue is whether man needs to be supernaturally regenerated to change. I do not believe the scriptures teach this anywhere.

Does Jesus say that men must be supernaturally regenerated to come to him? No

Nowhere do the scriptures say a man must be regenerated to believe, the scriptures say we must be taught.
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If God simply regenerates you, makes you spiritually alive, born again, then why is teaching necessary?

You teach that men must be regenerated to believe when it is never stated in scripture even once

[QUOTEAnd I could compile a great list of the errors of Calvinism.
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[QUOTENext, you deny Noah finding favor in the eyes of the Lord, demonstrates that an unregenerate heart can seek God. I believe it does.

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The reason hundreds of millions of Christians have believed this is because they have been taught false doctrine that is not found in the scriptures

 

[Alive in Christ]

Icon...

You should consider what Van has to say. You could learn a lot from him. So many on here have tried to help you with your inaccuracies and wrong conclusions.

Why not consider listening?

 

[Alive in Christ]

ooops. unintentional duplicate

 

[Yeshua1]

Icon...

You should consider what Van has to say. You could learn a lot from him. So many on here have tried to help you with your inaccuracies and wrong conclusions.

Why not consider listening?

think all of the cals posting here on the Board have read van, its just that we have a hard time grasping what he is trying to, as much of his conclusions are not found in the Bible...

Must be the "cal" blinders that are on us!

 

[annsni]

Icon - I'm with you on this one. :wavey:

 

[Iconoclast]

Icon...

You should consider what Van has to say. You could learn a lot from him. So many on here have tried to help you with your inaccuracies and wrong conclusions.

Why not consider listening?

AIC,
Early on I read Vans posts. I tried to interact with him.
Archangel took the time to go over one or two of Vans posts.
Van was trying to teach about the "Greek".
Archangel very graciously worked through Vans 6-7 pet verses and explained that what he was indeed teaching was not possible according to what the verses actually teach.
Van promptly blew him off,and has posted the same errors....over and over.

AIC.....there is a vast treasure house of good reading and study material put out from the puritans and reformers. They used the scriptures without re-writing them ...or attempting to re word them.....see post2...

To read too much error [ Vanwinmanism}and have that error in your mind is not healthy meditation.
AIC....pick out any thread and see if you do not see the repetive nature of the error....see many give solid responses....see the solid responses completely ignored! They do not want an answer. They are promoting falsehood, against the historic faith of the saints....

Nobody believes these things they suggest.key an eye out....you will not have to wait long....you will see it as soon as you are looking for it:thumbs:

You should consider what Van has to say. You could learn a lot from him. So many on here have tried to help you with your inaccuracies and wrong conclusions.
Why not consider listening

Careful AIC.....you almost were included in the title.........Dr. A.I.C. Van Winman....because of your jn 1:9 false rendering...
Also I never trust or take advice from anyone who plays the banjo....lol

 

[HankD]

Judges 12
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

HankD​

 

[Iconoclast]

Icon - I'm with you on this one. :wavey:

I thought I would try some humor......so many have tried to post solidly but to no avail......

I would rather make progress......discussing solid teaching.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Dr. Bob]

Thankfully, one does not have to read every post by any BB member. Nor agree with what they read from any BB member.

And MORE thankful that I don't have to respond to every post and can just feel a twinge of Mr T's theology:

Pity the fool.

 

[Iconoclast]

think all of the cals posting here on the Board have read van, its just that we have a hard time grasping what he is trying to, as much of his conclusions are not found in the Bible...

Must be the "cal" blinders that are on us!

See Jf,
you are just not following the rules

1] read the clear passages

2] quickly re-word them, add or take away words

3] denigrate any puritan or reformer who actually had a good grasp of truth

4] then claim your position is so unique that you do not fit under any label

5] sometimes as a diversion give lip service saying that "some cal ideas are almost biblical"

6] when anyone actually responds to your post and identifies the error, tell them they misunderstood your post......no one will take the time to go back and check on it anyhow:laugh:

7] If someone responds with many scripture verses in context then you pull out the "you are so arrogant and rude card"

8] or the old standby- you know- knowledge puffs up:thumbs:

 

[Alive in Christ]

Iconoclast...

Also I never trust or take advice from anyone who plays the banjo

Oh no...have no fear. I also play acoustic guitar, electric guitar and the dobro!

(But the banjo is the coolest by far.)

 

[Iconoclast]

Iconoclast...



Oh no...have no fear. I also play acoustic guitar, electric guitar and the dobro!

(But the banjo is the coolest by far.)

dobro?????never even heard of this! you are out there AIC:laugh::laugh:

 

[Bob Alkire]

dobro?????never even heard of this! you are out there AIC:laugh::laugh:

I know we differ on Calvinism which is fine. But now you have me perplexed, you don't know what a dobro is. I know I've spend many an hour looking out that windshield listening to the Road Gang or Bill Mack or one of the others and you would hear a good amount of people playing the dobro.

 

[Iconoclast]

I know we differ on Calvinism which is fine. But now you have me perplexed, you don't know what a dobro is. I know I've spend many an hour looking out that windshield listening to the Road Gang or Bill Mack or one of the others and you would hear a good amount of people playing the dobro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6xWyxsyld0


Hello Bob,

I had to look it up now:laugh::laugh:

What part do we differ on??? I do not recall . If i can be of any help, let me know:thumbs:

 

[Alive in Christ]

Iconoclst...

dobro?????never even heard of this! you are out there AIC

Wow. Where have you lived all your life..out in the desert, or jungle? :laugh:

 

[Iconoclast]

Iconoclst...



Wow. Where have you lived all your life..out in the desert, or jungle? :laugh:

I am musically challenged AIC......I know less about music than non cals know about the confessions of faith:laugh::laugh::wavey:

 

[Alive in Christ]

Iconoclst...

Here is some dobro playing that I think you will enjoy and appreciate. Rob Ikes is one of the best dobro players Ive ever heard, and here he is playing a beautful rendering of The Old Rugged Cross....

Tell me what you think!..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vH0hjMzwhk&feature=fvwrel

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Icon...

You should consider what Van has to say. You could learn a lot from him. So many on here have tried to help you with your inaccuracies and wrong conclusions.

Why not consider listening?

NOW THATS FREAKING FUNNY! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

God planned, before the foundation of the earth that He would give His Son a gift, which is the church. Now if God looked down through time to choose all those who would believe in Christ (for salvation/to be the church), and lo and behold there was no one who was going to believe, then God's plan would have been a failure. So....how does God ensure that there will be a church? Doesn't He have to elect people to believe?
Just a thought.