NRA Recommendation

[Salty]

The NRA has a recommendation.

They say there should be police officer stationed at each school. There are plenty of retired / off duty police and/or military personnel

I did a quick computation. Assume a school has 300 students - and they have one police officer @ $15 per hour - 8 hours per day ( or 2 @ 4 hours each) - @ 180 days per year. That would come out to about 30,000 dollars or about $100 per student.

The school I went to - West Genesee - has 1 high school, 2 Jr High, and 4 elementary schools - with a total of 4,826 students. Therefore, WG would need about 10 officers.
Based on my computation -that would be an additional $3000,000. The budget for WG is about 70.5 million dollars. Therefore that 300 grand is just a 1/2 % increase of the budget.

The tax rate in WG is about 25/1000 assessment. So a $100,000 house would owe about 2,500 dollars in school tax. A .5% tax rate would cost that homeowner about an additional $125 per year.

Is it worth it?

 

[mont974x4]

It makes more sense than making law abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a pen.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The NRA has a recommendation.

They say there should be police officer stationed at each school. There are plenty of retired / off duty police and/or military personnel

I did a quick computation. Assume a school has 300 students - and they have one police officer @ $15 per hour - 8 hours per day ( or 2 @ 4 hours each) - @ 180 days per year. That would come out to about 30,000 dollars or about $100 per student.

The school I went to - West Genesee - has 1 high school, 2 Jr High, and 4 elementary schools - with a total of 4,826 students. Therefore, WG would need about 10 officers.
Based on my computation -that would be an additional $3000,000. The budget for WG is about 70.5 million dollars. Therefore that 300 grand is just a 1/2 % increase of the budget.

The tax rate in WG is about 25/1000 assessment. So a $100,000 house would owe about 2,500 dollars in school tax. A .5% tax rate would cost that homeowner about an additional $125 per year.

Is it worth it?

A nice 15 foot fence with a Guarded Gate & razor wire up top is sufficient. Maybe a German Shepherd or 2 for night servalience. Worked on Hogans Heroes.:laugh:

 

[InTheLight]

They say there should be police officer stationed at each school. There are plenty of retired / off duty police and/or military personnel

I did a quick computation. Assume a school has 300 students - and they have one police officer @ $15 per hour - 8 hours per day ( or 2 @ 4 hours each) - @ 180 days per year. That would come out to about 30,000 dollars or about $100 per student.

Is it worth it?

Pay them on commission.

 

[SolaSaint]

Don't we have 23 Million people unemployed in America and many of those recieve benefits per week until they find work. Why don't we have them earn their benefits by standing guard at schools. I'm not saying armed, unless they are willing and can be trained, plus pass a background check.

Merry Christmas

 

[blackbird]

A nice 15 foot fence with a Guarded Gate & razor wire up top is sufficient. Maybe a German Shepherd or 2 for night servalience. Worked on Hogans Heroes.:laugh:

No one escapes from Stalag 13!!!!--

Colonal Klink

 

[mont974x4]

"He knows nothing!"


I home school so its not a real issue for us but I seriously doubt most parents want their kids feeling like their playground at school is a prison.

The benefit of arming teachers or otherwise having guards is that it can be done, for the most part, on the down low. An armed guard in civilian clothes can provide more security with less disruption. Remove any "gun free zone" signs and the public discussion of policy changes would be sufficient warning for those with evil intent.


We really do not need the kids in our country thinking, or feeling, like they are being punished because of a few nut jobs.

 

[blackbird]

"He knows nothing!"


I home school so its not a real issue for us but I seriously doubt most parents want their kids feeling like their playground at school is a prison.

The benefit of arming teachers or otherwise having guards is that it can be done, for the most part, on the down low. An armed guard in civilian clothes can provide more security with less disruption. Remove any "gun free zone" signs and the public discussion of policy changes would be sufficient warning for those with evil intent.


We really do not need the kids in our country thinking, or feeling, like they are being punished because of a few nut jobs.

This is our last year to homeschool ----- finish up in May '13

One major thing that comes to my mind about arming teachers in school is------I am a WW2 history buff----and have read countless articles about soldier's mental reactions to battlefield experiences----and have read where ---- on the battlefield---when the bullets start flying-the average soldier's disposition changes---when the bullets start flying--natural instinct tells the soldier----make yourself as small of a target as you possibly can---dig your foxhole just a little bit deeper---

My point is----go ahead and arm the teachers--and see what happens---and then

I can understand the use of deadly force against an outside intruder who also uses deadly force----BUT----what about the use of deadly force when there is a student involved----or another teacher involved

What if----we arm a teacher or two---and some sort of intruder comes in using deadly force---and the trained teacher goes "Willy Nilly" and freezes up-----

and what of the teacher who is trained and who unbeknowing to the other fellow teachers---is a hot head or has a "Happy" trigger finger----what if the trained teacher is involved in an incident against a student---and he/she witnesses the student reaching into his backpack---the teacher gets nervous and pulls his/her "9"----pops a cap because he gets trigger happy and it turns out the student has nothing in his backpack except his ruler or some sort of something other than a lethal weapon--namely a firearm??

What then?? Cry foul???

Keep in mind----I'm not saying take away #2 amendment----I'm not saying take away guns---what I am saying is---no way we can arm teachers ------ rehearsing all possible scenerios such as what I have above----no way!!!

 

[Revmitchell]

This is our last year to homeschool ----- finish up in May '13

One major thing that comes to my mind about arming teachers in school is------I am a WW2 history buff----and have read countless articles about soldier's mental reactions to battlefield experiences----and have read where ---- on the battlefield---when the bullets start flying-the average soldier's disposition changes---when the bullets start flying--natural instinct tells the soldier----make yourself as small of a target as you possibly can---dig your foxhole just a little bit deeper---

My point is----go ahead and arm the teachers--and see what happens---and then

I can understand the use of deadly force against an outside intruder who also uses deadly force----BUT----what about the use of deadly force when there is a student involved----or another teacher involved

What if----we arm a teacher or two---and some sort of intruder comes in using deadly force---and the trained teacher goes "Willy Nilly" and freezes up-----

and what of the teacher who is trained and who unbeknowing to the other fellow teachers---is a hot head or has a "Happy" trigger finger----what if the trained teacher is involved in an incident against a student---and he/she witnesses the student reaching into his backpack---the teacher gets nervous and pulls his/her "9"----pops a cap because he gets trigger happy and it turns out the student has nothing in his backpack except his ruler or some sort of something other than a lethal weapon--namely a firearm??

What then?? Cry foul???

So you want to compare soldiers who are exposed to combat every day to a teacher who rarely if ever sees it?

 

[blackbird]

So you want to compare soldiers who are exposed to combat every day to a teacher who rarely if ever sees it?

Not at all, brother!! But my point is----if that is the mental reaction that soldiers take under conflict----and they face it often---how will the teacher react who never has experoienced a gun being fired live at real people???

 

[mont974x4]

That's a lot of "what if's".

Have you read how Texas does this? It's really well done, reasonable, and responsible.

One armed teacher would have ended the CT tragedy before it reached a classroom.

 

[mont974x4]

How many teachers do you think are veterans?

 

[Salty]

How many teachers do you think are veterans?

Troops to Teachers

 

[Aaron]

Not at all, brother!! But my point is----if that is the mental reaction that soldiers take under conflict----and they face it often---how will the teacher react who never has experoienced a gun being fired live at real people???

One thing is certain, far fewer than 21 children would have been killed.

 

[blackbird]

One thing is certain, far fewer than 21 children would have been killed.

But you know, Brother!!?? Ain't it a cryin' shame we should even be thinking-------who's gonna guard our school kids???

Know what I mean???

:tear::tear::tear:

 

[Revmitchell]

Not at all, brother!! But my point is----if that is the mental reaction that soldiers take under conflict----and they face it often---how will the teacher react who never has experoienced a gun being fired live at real people???

Soldiers suffer combat fatigue. Teachers do not. I don't believe this is a real issue.

 

[blackbird]

Soldiers suffer combat fatigue. Teachers do not. I don't believe this is a real issue.

Brother, listen------I'm not gonna debate you on the issue of combat fatigue or if anyone's gonna require that teachers shoot right handed ---- left handed or if they're ambadextrious

We shouldn't even have to be talking about this issue---unfortuneatly we are----its a problem that isn't gonna go away anytime soon----like the airplane/airport issues across the country----frisking down 90 year olds and 4 year olds but letting the young adults walk by without even a glance in their direction

What I see in the near future is a world that will soon be crying out for a savior-----and unfortuneatly they will get antichrist!! And antichrist will give them war and reduce the world to such chaos that will make what Hitler did to the Jews look like he's a Sunday School Saint!!

:tear::tear::tear:

 

[Salty]

Soldiers suffer combat fatigue. Teachers do not. I don't believe this is a real issue.

I don't know about that, esp in some Urban schools

Do we have any combat vets who are teachers?

 

[Revmitchell]

Brother, listen------I'm not gonna debate you on the issue of combat fatigue or if anyone's gonna require that teachers shoot right handed ---- left handed or if they're ambadextrious

OK?

 

[Streetsweeper]

Not at all, brother!! But my point is----if that is the mental reaction that soldiers take under conflict----and they face it often---how will the teacher react who never has experoienced a gun being fired live at real people???

One thing is certain, far fewer than 21 children would have been killed

Rubbish:BangHead:
You'll have the same number of kids and teachers dead.
There will just be another weapon wasting space in a classroom cupboard.

I think most Australians look at America's response to this issue with amazement. Gun sales break new records - How dumb is it to respond to a shooting tradgedy by increasing the availability of weapons.

Arm teachers to prevent these killiings - insanity!
Responding to such a situation needs constant training at a level only available to law enforcement officers and some front line members of defence forces. Teachers are not policemen or soldiers. Don't expect them to respond appropriately if at all."

Keep in mind, these killings aren't restricted to classrooms.

One commentator in Australia noted "there are enough guns already in circulation on America, that even if gun sales were stopped right now, these sorts of killings will continue for the next hundred years".

I have no reason to disbelieve this statement, but why does public sentiment seem to be in favour of adding fuel to the fire? The US has a nightmare issue to be managed for a century or more. Today however is probably as good a time as any to start locking down the weapons supply.

Alternatively, if your grandchildren haven't been killed by a 6 year old upset at not getting candy at the supermarket, they might be wondering as we do in Australia, how such a lobotomised society could first;

• Allow the situation to develop and then,
• Perpetuate and exacerbate the problem for decades to come.

I'm being harsh.
The US is a goldfish bowl on this issue and the water is putrid.